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Has there been any increased competition since Target moved in?

HAMSTER INSPECTOR

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Has Target been such a big threat that people thought it would be? Are there better deals at Walmart or Canadian Tire because Target opened up? I have not seen much change. Canadian Tire was so scared that they were planning to up the bonus money they give you for buying at Crappy Tire.
 

Ridgeman08

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Nope... Target's entrance into the Canadian Market has been lack luster at best.

Not impressed... so far. (And I'm a Target shopper south of the border...)
 
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waba

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I don't think there is much people can do with retail prices...they have gone really low already at least with the things I buy. How much lower can it get? How much competition can there be left?

But we do people coming in and competiting for our cables and wireless services...what we have here are laugh-able comparing to places like South Korea.
 

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Target was always a status thing that many Torontonians envied. Heck if Buffalo has one, why don't we?
I never understood why, given the stuff they sell is just a step above Walmart and Zellers.
They have a bit more variety in the brands they carry, and the stores are cleaner than the aforementioned retailers.
But is it enough of a differentiator to make a dent? I'm not so sure it is.
 

red

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so far the candian stores seems to be holding target at Bay
 

spraggamuffin

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Target seems to be just a Zellers with different colours.

Pretty much all the big box stores including Canadian Tire are not Canadian owned.

I don't shop much at Walmart except for socks and underwear. They have the ones I like.

I'd only shop Futureshop/Bestbuy if I'm not sure I want to keep the item or for a better return policy than Asian Computer stores.

I had a Costco membership but realized the stuff I purchase can often be gotten at same prices or better on sale at non membership stores.

I like to support Giant Tiger but hardly ever get in there.

I stay away from Dollar stores including Dollarama except for the odd snack pick up.

Shopping at the dollar stores and big boxes like Walmart seems to be the best ways to support the Chinese economy while making the North American 1%'ers richer.
 

red

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aren't most of the canadian tire stores franchises and therefore owned by canadian operators?
 

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I go into a Target here in London and find I could shoot a cannon through the place and not hit anyone. This is weekday, daytime hours, I stay away from malls as much as possible on weekends. But if I go into the Walmart a couple miles west during the day, it's always busy. I can't speak to whether the Target brand of stuff is better quality than the Walmart brand, but as far as the stores being nicer, well sure, now that they are still newly renovated. But let's see them in a year or so and see if they just look like the junky old Zellers stores most of them were this time last year. The gadget they have at the escalator for taking your cart downstairs is cool though lol.
 

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Target seems to be just a Zellers with different colours.

Pretty much all the big box stores including Canadian Tire are not Canadian owned.

I don't shop much at Walmart except for socks and underwear. They have the ones I like.

I'd only shop Futureshop/Bestbuy if I'm not sure I want to keep the item or for a better return policy than Asian Computer stores.

I had a Costco membership but realized the stuff I purchase can often be gotten at same prices or better on sale at non membership stores.

I like to support Giant Tiger but hardly ever get in there.

I stay away from Dollar stores including Dollarama except for the odd snack pick up.

Shopping at the dollar stores and big boxes like Walmart seems to be the best ways to support the Chinese economy while making the North American 1%'ers richer.
Canadian Tire is publically owned and traded on the TSE. Its head office is in Toronto. Where did you get that Crappy Tire is not Canadian owned?
 
Just went to both Walmart and Target tonight, one after the other looking for an item. The stores are two blocks apart. Walmart has all their cash registers open and all have several customers lined up. At Target, they had 2 cash open + 3 self serve. No Customer at the self serves. 1 Customer at one cashier and the no customer at the other.
Can't see how Target will survive. Zellers used to be the same.
 

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Target is not competitive price or product wise. Their price range is on the high end of the retailer divide more in line with the Bay & Shopper's Drug Mart and their clothing stock is a joke being aimed solely at the slim and youth fashion markets. I was looking forward to Target coming here - always liked shopping the ones in Michigan when I've traveled there - but it's been a complete disappointment.
 

spraggamuffin

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Canadian Tire is publically owned and traded on the TSE. Its head office is in Toronto. Where did you get that Crappy Tire is not Canadian owned?
aren't most of the canadian tire stores franchises and therefore owned by canadian operators?
You are both correct. My mistake.

I was talking to someone on how The Hudson Bay company still gives the illusion of being a Canadian owned company with emphasis on it's heritage.

He, exaggerating off course, said that pretty much everything is now owned by non Canadians.

I figured a big company like Canadian Tire with it's recent acquisition of the Forzani Group etc might be another potential one.
 

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Didn't find Target anything to be excited about. The prices are not compelling. The layout of the one I went to had the men's department upstairs but if you wanted to try something on you had to go downstairs to the ladies section with your stuff.
 

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Target's strategy, in most markets, is to be the Wal-Mart in the city or near-city suburbs, where Wal-Mart is too far away.

And Target stores are cleaner, more spread out, with more upscale feel.

The prices are slightly higher, so to save money, I'd just head to the Wal-Mart, and only go to Target if I can't make it all the way out to the Wal-mart.

Except for teenage girls who would refuse to shop at Wal-Mart, I don't see any other advantage of Target over Wal-Mart.
 

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Target Stores, think Canadian shoppers are clueless. Been to US Target, much better selection and pricing. In Canada they hike there prices by 5% and give you a client loyalty card 5% off. They will be the next retail closeure. Wtf.:crazy:
 

Ridgeman08

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Target Stores, think Canadian shoppers are clueless. They hike there prices by 5% and give you a client loyalty card 5% off. They will be the next retail closeure. Wtf.:crazy:
Wrong. YOU are the clueless one here eldo.

Target is just learning our market. Like all US retailers that come to Canada the first couple seasons are always a transitional period. Although similar to USA, it IS different.

What most of you don't realize is that Canadian prices are AUTOMATICALLY higher here than in USA because of our duty structures in many commodities. (e.g. government takes 20% instead of 8% in USA...) If you wanna point a finger of blame at someone... point it at the federal government.

Target is a huge company, and very successful. They will figure it out in a few seasons. You can bet your buns that Wal*Mart is gearing up for a fight.

Sears will be the next major retailer to close.

As for Canadian Tire... The FRANCHISES are owned by the dealers, but CTC Corporate owns the real estate. (Along with Mark Work Wearhouse, Sport Check, Forzani Group, Hockey Life, Athlete's World, Nevada Bobs etc... They are Canada's second largest hard goods retailer behind Costco and Walmart.
 

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Wrong. YOU are the clueless one here eldo.

Target is just learning our market. Like all US retailers that come to Canada the first couple seasons are always a transitional period. Although similar to USA, it IS different. Target does not want to stomp into Canada and start a price war where everyone makes no money.

What most of you don't realize is that Canadian prices are AUTOMATICALLY higher here than in USA because of our duty structures in many commodities. (e.g. government takes 20% instead of 8% in USA...) If you wanna point a finger of blame at someone... point it at the federal government.

Target is a huge company, and very successful. They will figure it out in a few seasons. You can bet your buns that Wal*Mart is gearing up for a fight. The top retailers are waiting to see what Target does before they fire back.

Sears will be the next major retailer to close.

As for Canadian Tire... The FRANCHISES are owned by the dealers, but CTC Corporate owns the real estate. The CDN Tire group wants to spin off their properties into a separate company and sell off the shares. They are offering a real estate holding company where the tenants are captive. (Along with Mark Work Wearhouse, Sport Check, Forzani Group, Hockey Life, Athlete's World, Nevada Bobs etc... They are Canada's second largest hard goods retailer behind Costco and Walmart.
Walmart, Sears Group and CDN Tire are all preparing for Target to chip away at their customer base. CDN Tire is preparing to offer more CDN Tire money to customers to be competitive.( after reducing it for years ).
 

eldoguy

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Wrong. YOU are the clueless one here eldo.

Target is just learning our market. Like all US retailers that come to Canada the first couple seasons are always a transitional period. Although similar to USA, it IS different.

What most of you don't realize is that Canadian prices are AUTOMATICALLY higher here than in USA because of our duty structures in many commodities. (e.g. government takes 20% instead of 8% in USA...) If you wanna point a finger of blame at someone... point it at the federal government.

Target is a huge company, and very successful. They will figure it out in a few seasons. You can bet your buns that Wal*Mart is gearing up for a fight.

Sears will be the next major retailer to close.

As for Canadian Tire... The FRANCHISES are owned by the dealers, but CTC Corporate owns the real estate. (Along with Mark Work Wearhouse, Sport Check, Forzani Group, Hockey Life, Athlete's World, Nevada Bobs etc... They are Canada's second largest hard goods retailer behind Costco and Walmart.

Wal-Mart's Sams Club hit the wall a few years ago!
 
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