Hamilton

[TESLAMotors]

If it's such a shitty city why does your friends live there?
Every fukin city has potholes. Maybe you can't see past your nose. Get outside more.

Whoa, calm down.
They live their by choice and circumstances. As for potholes and bad roads, where I was, I couldn't believe the amount, it just seemed endless. As someone replied earlier, it was near the Barton street area, around Kenilworth I believe.
Scarborough has some rough areas, but they're not as lengthy.

I hope I can see past my nose, otherwise I wouldn't be able to drive or walk. I drive a lot actually and get out a fair bit, but I appreciate the suggestion.
I'm not knocking Hamilton, I just hate to see how it is because the older homes are beautiful but it seems a lot aren't cared for, compared to stories that I heard of how incredible it was before, not including the Hamilton mountain area.
There is one house in particular that is so well taken care of compared to the others on the block it just stands out like a sore thumb, I met the owners of the house (my friend's neighbours) and they did a great job renovating from the inside out.
Just beautiful and they kept the outside as original as possible.

 

[spankingman]

Hamilton is, and will always be, a massive shit hole. No jobs, no growth, scorched earth, poverty and crime.

50% huh? From $100,000 to $150,000 no doubt.

You are so wrong Toronto Troll the ave Hamilton house price is over $350,00.00 if not more. Many To people are moving here because of the lower price housing. The ave family cannot afford a house in Hogtown these day.
No jobs ? Yes the manufacturing jobs are pretty much gone our biggest employer is now Health Care.
No growth? We are the second fastest growing city in Ontario,Milton is number one.
Poverty? Everyone major city has poverty Jane and Finch ain't Rosedale!
Crime? Again every major city has crime. Just read the SUN any weekend shootings stabbings etc weekly in To.

Perhaps you should visit and take in the sights sounds food we have to offer. I could take you to areas you would think you were in Rosedale,Forest Hill and others on the opposite end of the scale. We have a lot to offer. True we are not the Center of the Universe that Toronto thinks they are but I wouldn't choose to live anywhere else!

 

[TESLAMotors]

You are so wrong Toronto Troll the ave Hamilton house price is over $350,00.00 if not more. Many To people are moving here because of the lower price housing. The ave family cannot afford a house in Hogtown these day.
No jobs ? Yes the manufacturing jobs are pretty much gone our biggest employer is now Health Care.
No growth? We are the second fastest growing city in Ontario,Milton is number one.
Poverty? Everyone major city has poverty Jane and Finch ain't Rosedale!
Crime? Again every major city has crime. Just read the SUN any weekend shootings stabbings etc weekly in To.

Perhaps you should visit and take in the sights sounds food we have to offer. I could take you to areas you would think you were in Rosedale,Forest Hill and others on the opposite end of the scale. We have a lot to offer. True we are not the Center of the Universe that Toronto thinks they are but I wouldn't choose to live anywhere else!

I can't stand Toronto and the people in it. I avoid it as much as I can, the traffic, the congestion, assholes/bitches to the nth degree and exponentially too. Sure there are assholes and bitches everywhere, but Toronto does take the cake on that.

 

[Calgacus]

It's cheap for a good reason. It's ugly, poor, has a wretched stench and no future.

Are you talking about Hamilton or Molson Canadian?

 

[MissCroft]

My father (a born and bred Torontonian) was arrested in Hamilton many years ago. They told him he wasn't welcome back. From that point on, whenever someone asked him where he was from, he would say Hamilton.

 

[icespot]

Yeah, I'm stuck on value added industry and skilled immigration that's correct. Arts programs are all well and good but frankly we already have far too many teachers and lawyers already and most arts grads end up in very low paying low skill jobs. Sure, there's exceptions, but very few. The truth sucks, but I don't make the rules.

I look at things very pragmatically. See what works well elsewhere in the world and emulate those aspects that work well. And speaking of that, I was told, and I don't know if it is true, but in Germany the education system is geared towards encouraging youth to go into programs where they have a skill AND where there is opportunity. For example, if there are already too many teachers, the numbers of students accepted into teachers college are reduced. Students who want to be teachers are encouraged to consider a vocation that is in demand.

The new world order you are dreaming about won't pay the taxes required in order to fund the system we already have in place, let alone going forward. Just check out the deficit and debt that Ontario has. It's not sustainable and it's not going to be pretty. An arts grad working at Starbucks making 10 bucks an hour is not paying the same taxes as a high skill tradesman making 120 grand a year.

It's not new world order, it's what the people you admire are already doing.

It's called working to live, not living to work. The purpose to life is to enjoy it and be happy. You know how many vacation weeks German and French get a year?

It makes them happy, therefore more productive.

Now apply that to schools and make kids happy and wanting to be there, do you know what will happen? Something incredible like the world has never seen before. More arts programs and creative programs are not meant to make you a lawyer or a teacher..... It is to make kids love what they do.

Do you know what is the purpose of education? To learn to communicate the big ideas you have in your head, from the dream that they are to a reality that everyone else can understand.

So don't put a wall that keeps people out, open your world to the reality of endless possibilities.

It is dreams and imagination that have propelled humanity to the frontiers of space and the deepest parts of the ocean. It is what made two bicycle builders want to make a flying machine. It was the stories of Jules Verne that inspired engineers to put a man on the moon.

Every life is a treasure with unimaginable potential....

And I grew up in Hamilton and it was in Hamilton that I learned to be a dreamer.

 

[onthebottom]

Manufacturing is a value added industry. Witness Germany, the United States, Japan, China

There is little value added in a service industry.

It's a race to the bottom in Canada (less so in the USA I will admit.) There is no future digging shit out of the ground and selling a bulk commodity.

Some Manufactoring is (auto, aerospace) some not so much. Service industries are where most of the value is, while it seems counter intuitive that's where most IP is generated. Even the German economy is nearly 70% services - and they make fantastic stuff, have an education system tailored to trade craft and still that ratio holds.

I don't think you could find a wealthy country that isn't 60+% services economy. Poor economies, yes but not wealthy.

One challenge Canada has is very few valuable Canadian brands, the most valuable brands are banks.... I think this is partly caused by being so integrated with the U.S. Economy.