H1N1 Cost overruns

WOW! Who could have predicted this!

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...accine_costs_091112/20091112?hub=TopStoriesV2

It appears that the plan to have every Canadian vaccinated against swine flu is not coming cheap. New estimates show that the vaccination program could cost more than $2 billion.
The vaccine has been available to Canadians for only about three weeks now, but according to a report in The Globe and Mail, $1.51-billion has already been spent.
That figure was reached after reviewing estimates from federal, provincial and territorial governments.
The actual figure might be even higher, because many provinces are still revising their costs, while others have yet to release total estimates.
In September, provincial and territorial health ministers predicted the cost of buying and delivering the vaccine at around $806-million, or about $16 per dose.
But based on these new estimates, the total cost is currently running at about $30 a shot --and climbing.
The cost of buying 50.4 million doses has been estimated by federal officials at $403 million. But there have been many extra costs incurred by Health Canada, the Public Health Agency of Canada, and the Canadian Food Inspection Agency.
Those agencies have racked up the bills by:

  • developing emergency and strategic plans
  • conducting surveillance and outbreak management
  • overtime and standby pay for regulatory and lab staff
  • conducting rapid research
Earlier this week, Treasury Board President Vic Toews released 2009-10 supplementary budget estimates and estimated those costs at about $78 million.
But related provincial costs were not included; those are sure to cost millions of dollars more.
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Looks like their "plan" is falling into place nicely... **rolls eyes**
 

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hmm developing strategic and emergency plans, would they not be the plans that should have been in place prior to teh emergency breaking out?
 

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I guess what you're telling us is that you didn't buy stock in Novartis.

Profits look good this year.

...:)
 

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Economic stimulus - I am sure there's an awful lot of nurses and paramedics making some serious overtime on this...
 
Were we expecting it to cost less?
Nope... I expected the costs for this to spiral out of control same as virtually EVERY other government program... But you missed my point BR13...

Almost a month ago, "someone" made a statement that the media, the medical industry and politicians were just ramping up the hype for swine flu, and in doing so, were giving themselves EXACTLY the kind of excuse they needed to rape our wallets even more so than they are already!

Since then record deficits have been reported by every level of government... Take a wild guess where all the extra $$$ is going to come from?!

That is my point... :rolleyes:
 
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Has the cost accounting subtracted the money saved by not having to treat people in ICU, and not having them die?

My understanding is that it's enormously expensive to put someone on a ventilator in an ICU for a week, and even more expensive when, after all that, they die.
 

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Nope... I expected the costs for this to spiral out of control same as virtually EVERY other government program... But you missed my point BR13...

Almost a month ago, "someone" made a statement that the media, the medical industry and politicians were just ramping up the hype for swine flu, and in doing so, were giving themselves EXACTLY the kind of excuse they needed to rape our wallets even more so that they are already!

Since then record deficits have been reported by every level of government... Take a wild guess where all the extra $$$ is going to come from?!

That is my point... :rolleyes:
Fair enough, point well made. I knew I should have put a big smiley face in my post.
 
Has the cost accounting subtracted the money saved by not having to treat people in ICU, and not having them die?

My understanding is that it's enormously expensive to put someone on a ventilator in an ICU for a week, and even more expensive when, after all that, they die.
Oh please Fuji.... then we have to add to that the cost amounts of people clogging up the EC with a sniffle because every time someone gets one, they panic (due to all the media hype) because they think they have the pig flu!

Regardless, this is exactly what the government wants...

Hold onto you wallets everyone... its gonna get ugly! :rolleyes:
 

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i would find it difficult to put a dollar value on human life
It's the classic lab rat/baby ethical problem and it's never cut and dry.

i've said often that there is hype for headlines and it often backfires. As was said, what price for inaction?
 

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Oh please Fuji.... then we have to add to that the cost amounts of people clogging up the EC with a sniffle because every time someone gets one, they panic (due to all the media hype) because they think they have the pig flu!

Regardless, this is exactly what the government wants...

Hold onto you wallets everyone... its gonna get ugly! :rolleyes:
That's also part of the problem CG, 80%+ of the people who go to Emergency, even when there's no scare, don't need to be there, but it's free and easy. I'm a big fan of walk-in clinic, mobile clinics and such, actually have 2 within easy travel of my place and have used them occasionally with little difficulty.
 

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Oh please Fuji.... then we have to add to that the cost amounts of people clogging up the EC with a sniffle because every time someone gets one, they panic (due to all the media hype) because they think they have the pig flu!
Agreed, we should add that. I suspect that with all costs in vaccination is a small fraction of the cost we'd incur with no vaccination.

That is actually the point of preventative care: You spend a little now and avoid paying a LOT later.

What's the cost of 20k dead? By the actuarial reports I've read it's $500 billion range. Add in the associated hospital costs in such a scenario and you're into the trillions.

With numbers like that if you spend $1.5 billion every time a pandemic threat comes along it pays off in spades if you stop a killer pandemic once every 10 times you run the program. Hell we could spend five times as much and it would still be worthwhile.
 
Agreed, we should add that. I suspect that with all costs in vaccination is a small fraction of the cost we'd incur with no vaccination.

That is actually the point of preventative care: You spend a little now and avoid paying a LOT later.

What's the cost of 20k dead? By the actuarial reports I've read it's $500 billion range. Add in the associated hospital costs in such a scenario and you're into the trillions.

With numbers like that if you spend $1.5 billion every time a pandemic threat comes along it pays off in spades if you stop a killer pandemic once every 10 times you run the program. Hell we could spend five times as much and it would still be worthwhile.
20,000?????? Is that what the medical "experts" were predicting?? (More hype I suppose...)

Since you are such a firm believer of FACTS.... Please show me 1 report that says we would be expecting that many dead from ONLY pig flu... And by that I mean without underlying medical issues and would have died anyway if they just got some other disease.

I think I finally clued into your situation... You work for a drug company don't you? :rolleyes: (Or are at least heavily invested in the market with them...)
 

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I heard today on CFRB that including vaccine, clinic staffing, advertising where and when the clinics are and incidentals, it works out to approx $500 per person. Yup, five hundred dollars. For you negative hot heads an TERB, please note: I am not passing judgment, I am passing on what I heard.
 

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Nope... I expected the costs for this to spiral out of control same as virtually EVERY other government program... But you missed my point BR13...

Almost a month ago, "someone" made a statement that the media, the medical industry and politicians were just ramping up the hype for swine flu, and in doing so, were giving themselves EXACTLY the kind of excuse they needed to rape our wallets even more so that they are already!

Since then record deficits have been reported by every level of government... Take a wild guess where all the extra $$$ is going to come from?!

That is my point...
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To what end? :confused:
 

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"Regardless, this is exactly what the government wants..."

Out of curiousity, why do you think the gov't wants the cost of h1n1 distribution to spiral out of control?
 
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