Word is stockwell day (is he really our homeland security guy?) will gut provisions of the gun registry by not enforcing the legislation against long rifles. I think this approach is wrong headed- either change the law or not- but don't say you won't enforce it.
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red said:Word is stockwell day (is he really our homeland security guy?) will gut provisions of the gun registry by not enforcing the legislation against long rifles. I think this approach is wrong headed- either change the law or not- but don't say you won't enforce it.
Once again the Tories have found another way to annoy the people of Ontario who clearly want gun control. They keep this up and Clement and Flatery will lose in the next election.
The only "people" who want what you clain are the criminals and police, the only ones with guns right now. Stop being such a sensationalist. They are not 'Gutting" the registry just trying to make it more workable.The Mugger said:Once again the Tories have found another way to annoy the people of Ontario who clearly want gun control. They keep this up and Clement and Flatery will lose in the next election.
Listen to the news or go to the Toronto police website for shootings in this city. Not just murders but the random gunfire. the suspects are not white farmers or accountants from rural Ontario, the suspects are the , ( Group not mentioned out of political correctness) ones who couldn't give a damn how strict the registry or any other law is, they dont care.
Sheik said:?????
My understanding is the long guns were being removed from the registry which makes perfect sense.
Handguns and semi automatics would be left on the registry.
Regardless of whats what, the entire registry is a mess and should never have been implementated in the first place. There was already a working gun registry in place, but unfortunately it was not rigorously enforced.
its the only system now in place and the police seem to be using it. either way- change the law through parliament- this should be a country of law and not fiat
I don't see the problem with all guns - we register dogs why not guns. I can tell you from experience that most Bank robberies where a gun is used, the gun of choice is a sawed off shotgun, something that would not be covered.Sheik said:?????
My understanding is the long guns were being removed from the registry which makes perfect sense.
Handguns and semi automatics would be left on the registry.
Regardless of whats what, the entire registry is a mess and should never have been implemented in the first place. There was already a working gun registry in place, but unfortunately it was not rigorously enforced.
In addition single shot .225 rifles (fairly common) can be converted easily to a semi-automatic - if you know what your doing.
I don't see the problem with registering any gun - you have to register the ownership of your car, your home, your business etc.
This is not a freedom issue - it's a property issue.
sheik- the people in the cities have as much or more experience in the management of large enterprises as do the rural populace. don't confuse what the elected policians do with the electorate.Sheik said:WRONG.
It's the people in the big cities, not the rural areas, even so, the majority of those in the big cities are socialists and liberals who have no idea of what its like to manage the country under their unrealistic expectations.
The country has to be run in an efficient manner, unfortunately due to the mismanagement of the socialists and liberals the 2nd most expensive item is interest on the debt. Imagine what could be done with that money instead of being wasted? We would have a state of the art infrastructure, a well equiped military, coast guard and a bloody efficient government.
The long gun registry can safely be said to be one of the most idiotic- and, it seems, most corrupt- programs in Canadian history. Also, the best public-opinion research shows that Canadians aren't quite as passionate about it as elites tell them they are; public support for gun control is a lake a mile wide and an inch deep
depends on the region. its usefulness is never explored- even now- the AG has not examined whether it works or adds value. but today my concern is really about not going to parliament to change the law.Truncador said:The long gun registry can safely be said to be one of the most idiotic- and, it seems, most corrupt- programs in Canadian history. Also, the best public-opinion research shows that Canadians aren't quite as passionate about it as elites tell them they are; public support for gun control is a lake a mile wide and an inch deep
My understanding is that the Liberals created the Firearms Act separate from the Criminal Code so that they could change it by order-in-council, without having to put the changes before Parliament first.red said:depends on the region. its usefulness is never explored- even now- the AG has not examined whether it works or adds value. but today my concern is really about not going to parliament to change the law.
if thats true, then I don't like that either.Truncador said:My understanding is that the Liberals created the Firearms Act separate from the Criminal Code so that they could change it by order-in-council, without having to put the changes before Parliament first.
But in this case they've seemingly outsmarted themselves. If the governor-in-council can add regulations at will, he can also drop them.Sheik said:It is true and its not the only thing they did that was underhanded either.
bonjour, tristesse
As an avowed Roosevelt liberal, I believe the gun registry has proved to be a nadir of North American liberalism. Kidding ourselves otherwise is self-delusion, and outright dishonest. Blaming mouth-breathing yahoos for their deliberate obfuscation of the program doesn't help. However reasonable the idea may have seemed initially, the Chretien government should have had the responsibility and good sense to scrap it, once the real cost and social futility became obvious. This was entirely clear, by my reckoning, within the first 6 months of its institution, at the very latest.
Even here, let alone in the homicidally-challenged US of A, it will take several generations to convince a substantial hunk of the populace that the civilization and the rule of law actually work. That formidable educational task is what we need to undertake. The billions wasted on this criminally foolish mistake could have been a helluva good step in the right direction, if even a fraction were spent on this instead.
MW
As an avowed Roosevelt liberal, I believe the gun registry has proved to be a nadir of North American liberalism. Kidding ourselves otherwise is self-delusion, and outright dishonest. Blaming mouth-breathing yahoos for their deliberate obfuscation of the program doesn't help. However reasonable the idea may have seemed initially, the Chretien government should have had the responsibility and good sense to scrap it, once the real cost and social futility became obvious. This was entirely clear, by my reckoning, within the first 6 months of its institution, at the very latest.
Even here, let alone in the homicidally-challenged US of A, it will take several generations to convince a substantial hunk of the populace that the civilization and the rule of law actually work. That formidable educational task is what we need to undertake. The billions wasted on this criminally foolish mistake could have been a helluva good step in the right direction, if even a fraction were spent on this instead.
MW
If Ontario wants a gun control registry then maybe the Ontario Liberal government can step up to the plate and run the registry for Ontario. The rest of Canada is tired of Ontario ramming it's own agenda down the rest of the nation's throats.The Mugger said:Once again the Tories have found another way to annoy the people of Ontario who clearly want gun control. They keep this up and Clement and Flatery will lose in the next election.
uh yeah. its ontario this and ontario that. all the fuckin timeburlboy said:If Ontario wants a gun control registry then maybe the Ontario Liberal government can step up to the plate and run the registry for Ontario. The rest of Canada is tired of Ontario ramming it's own agenda down the rest of the nation's throats.
Problem is the registry is not gun control, it is only (really) expensive bureaucracy. You still need a FAC to acquire arms, registry or not.The Mugger said:Once again the Tories have found another way to annoy the people of Ontario who clearly want gun control. They keep this up and Clement and Flatery will lose in the next election.
Luckily in Canada we have the gun registry. It really cuts down on crime. That saved those 600 ( six hundred) police officers from having to round up approx 90 law abiding citizens this morning. Not to profile at all but I'll bet they were all farmers, accountants and dentists. Those guys are just crazy.
Well it would be nice if this was a country of law and not fiat but sadly it's not the case we have a fiat currency as do most countries in the world since 1971.red said:its the only system now in place and the police seem to be using it. either way- change the law through parliament- this should be a country of law and not fiat
Below I have a chart take a look where in big trouble.
Gold Reserves Reported to International Monetary Fund
(millions of ounces except as otherwise noted)
Country end-1985 end-1993 end 2002
Canada (ounces) 20.11 6.05 0.60
(tonnes) 625 188 18.6
Other G-7
United States 262.65 261.79 262.00
France 81.85 81.85 97.25*
Germany 95.18 95.18 110.79*
Italy 66.67 66.67 78.83*
Japan 24.23 24.23 24.60
United Kingdom 19.03 18.45 10.09
Other Euro Area
Austria 21.14 18.60 10.21
Belgium 34.18 25.04 8.29
Netherlands 43.94 35.05 27.38
Portugal 20.23 16.06 19.03
Switzerland 83.28 83.28 61.62
Other Developing
China (Mainland) 12.70 12.70 16.10
India 9.40 11.46 11.50
Russia n/a 10.20 13.60
Other Gold-Producing
Australia 7.93 7.90 2.56
South Africa 4.84 4.76 5.58
All Countries**
(ounces) 951.61 919.30 930.57
(tonnes) 29,599 28,594 28,945
*Increase represents difference between gold returned by the European
Monetary Institute and gold transferred to the European Central Bank.
**Excludes gold held by the International Monetary Fund and the Bank for
International Settlements, and prior to 1998, the European Monetary Institute.
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Was watching the news, I was right, large collection of accountants and dentists. I saw a few actuaries as well, they are heavy into mortality.
LancsLad said:Luckily in Canada we have the gun registry. It really cuts down on crime. That saved those 600 ( six hundred) police officers from having to round up approx 90 law abiding citizens this morning. Not to profile at all but I'll bet they were all farmers, accountants and dentists. Those guys are just crazy.
Was watching the news, I was right, large collection of accountants and dentists. I saw a few actuaries as well, they are heavy into mortality.
yes- but the registry is approx. 23% postal carriers.LancsLad said:Was watching the news, I was right, large collection of accountants and dentists. I saw a few actuaries as well, they are heavy into mortality.
