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GM, Chrysler May Face Bankruptcy to Protect U.S. Debt

WoodPeckr

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The vultures are circling. Can the end be near?....:eek:
The Crooked Banksters, by contrast, are thankful and delighted not to have any of these Automaker worries.


GM, Chrysler May Face Bankruptcy to Protect U.S. Debt (Update5)

By Mike Ramsey and Tiffany Kary

Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC may have to be forced into bankruptcy by the U.S. government to assure repayment of $17.4 billion in federal bailout loans, a course of action the automakers claim would destroy them.

U.S. taxpayers currently take a backseat to prior creditors, including Citigroup Inc., JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Goldman Sachs Group Inc., according to loan agreements posted on the U.S. Treasury’s Web site. The government has hired a law firm to help establish its place at the front of the line for repayment, two people involved in the work said last week.

If federal officials fail to get a consensual agreement to change their position regarding repayment, they have the option to force the companies into bankruptcy as a condition of more bailout aid. The government would finance the bankruptcy with a so-called “debtor in possession” or DIP loan, a lender status that gives the U.S. priority over other creditors, said Don Workman, a partner at Baker & Hostetler LLP.

“They are negotiating to see if they can reach an agreement,” said Workman, a bankruptcy lawyer based in Washington. “If not, they are saying ‘We are pretty darn sure that a bankruptcy judge will allow us’” to be first in line for repayment.

GM fell 1 cent to $2.83 in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. Chrysler isn’t publicly traded.

Carmaker Opposition

The automakers have dismissed calls to reorganize under bankruptcy protection, saying a Chapter 11 restructuring would scare away buyers and lead to liquidation. They are working toward a Feb. 17 deadline to show progress on a plan put in place as part of the U.S. loans received in December from the Troubled Asset Relief Program. The companies must reduce labor costs and show how they will repay the money by next month.

GM and Chrysler are already trying to restructure out of court by cutting labor costs, reducing debt levels and eliminating dealers. GM is in talks to pare $27.5 billion in unsecured debt to about $9.2 billion in a swap for equity.

The company said it plans to shutter dealers and reduce obligations to a union retiree health fund by half to $10.2 billion in a separate equity swap. Chrysler Chief Executive Officer Robert Nardelli has said his company will also try to cut debt.

Delphi Talks

GM said today it’s in negotiations to take back portions of Delphi Corp., a parts supplier the automaker separated from a decade ago, in order to maintain portions of its supply chain. GM said it’s also considering more plant closures, job eliminations and pay cuts for administrative workers.

The automaker probably will close at least two factories, which according to the Wall Street Journal may include a truck plant in Pontiac, Michigan.

Chrysler will temporarily shut three plants, the company said last week. Those closures will be in Michigan and Canada.

January sales from automakers plunged 55 percent at Chrysler, 49 percent at GM and 40 percent at Ford Motor Co., the second-largest U.S. automaker. Ford has declined bailout funds.

The U.S. government has the option of working out an intercreditor agreement outside of bankruptcy that would give it rights to some collateral ahead of others. Such agreements, often made when money is lent to a company that already has liens on most of its assets, are usually negotiated when the loan is made.

U.S. Law Firm

Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP is advising the government on how to make sure it gets paid back first, including by way of intercreditor agreements, the people involved with the talks said. The law firm, hired last month, is working for the government with Sonnenschein, Nath & Rosenthal, a Chicago-based firm with capital-markets experience, and Rothschild Inc., an investment bank, the people said.

The issues are “extremely complex,” said Bruce Clark, a credit analyst at Moody’s Investors Service.

The existing loan agreements appear to give the banks a superior position to the government, Clark said.

“The ultimate position of the government could end up being determined by whatever concessions various creditors make, and the determination of a bankruptcy court if it ever gets there,” he said.

When the automakers were lobbying the government for assistance, lawmakers made a point of saying that the government must be assured that if the companies failed, taxpayers wouldn’t lose the investment.

Existing Lenders

Workman, who isn’t involved in the negotiations, said the U.S. couldn’t force its loans to supersede existing secured lenders, so it built in a measure that allowed the debt to be converted to debtor-in-possession financing.

“A carrot and stick approach is spot on,” he said.

As it stands, the government loans fall below existing debt secured by most assets for Auburn Hills, Michigan-based Chrysler and Detroit-based GM. Prior lenders have first position on some assets. The government has first position on assets not already pledged.

Chrysler has $7 billion in loans from a group of banks, including New York-based JPMorgan, Goldman Sachs and Citigroup. It also has $2 billion in loans from owners Cerberus Capital Management LP and Daimler AG. Cerberus owns 80.1 percent of Chrysler. Daimler owns the remainder.

GM has $6 billion in loans secured by assets from lenders including JPMorgan and Citigroup. JPMorgan spokesman Brian Marchiony, Goldman Sachs spokesman Michael Duvally and Citigroup spokeswoman Danielle Romero-Apsilos declined to comment.

Lori McTavish, a spokeswoman for Chrysler, declined to comment beyond confirming the primacy of the bank loans. Treasury spokesman Isaac Baker and GM spokeswoman Renee Rashid-Merem declined to comment. GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz will retire at the end of 2009, the company said today in a separate statement.

Unless the automakers show by March 31 that they will be able to return to profit and repay the money, the government can demand return of the loans.

To contact the reporters on this story: Mike Ramsey in Southfield, Michigan, at mramsey6@bloomberg.net; Tiffany Kary in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in New York at tkary@bloomberg.net.
Last Updated: February 9, 2009 16:23 EST
 

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I get the feeling Ford is going to be the winner because the governments help is as it seems no help at all.
 

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Well, it's been a long and profitable ride but the gravy train has run out for everyone aboard. I went into a GM dealership to get a part for my car a few weeks ago and the salespeople practically jumped out of their chairs to greet me. Imagine the owner, with all his investment about to go up in smoke.
 

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Interesting Read and History from a friend...

Here's some resons Govt will probably keep the Big 3 from folding......


Most of the time, this column takes on a light-hearted attitude. Today, it's
a heavy-hearted one.
It’s heavy-hearted because I’m both disappointed and worried about the way
that so many car buyers are ignoring the products of America’s automobile
manufacturers. Yes, I know all the arguments pro and con. The reasoning for
buying from foreign manufacturers abound in letters to the editors and
columns by auto writers in our newspapers and magazines.

Up front, I should admit that I worked for two U.S. auto manufacturers in
addition to several decades in the newspaper trade. The first was
Kaiser-Frazier, back in 1953. I had worked there only six months when they
locked the doors of the huge plant in Ypsilanti because of the lack of
sales. I later had a stint with General Motors that lasted longer. I
personally believe that most of the models produced by American carmakers
are just as good as those offered by foreign companies. Many are even better.

But besides the fact that I have been completely satisfied with the cars
produced by American-based companies, one of my main reasons for never
considering the purchase of a foreign vehicle is quite different than anyone
else you may know. Some may even call it stupid and antiquated reasoning.
Here it is:

Not until I went to work for the Fisher Body Division of GM did I realize
what an impact our auto companies had in the defense of our country. I had
heard of Detroit being called the “Arsenal of Democracy” but really didn’t
appreciate the meaning of it until I thumbed through the historical files of
Fisher Body. One of my many jobs was to keep them up to date. Fisher Body
was the division that produced the bodies for nearly every GM model since
they started in 1908 until the division was merged into other units in 1984.

While the “Arsenal of Democracy” tag wasn’t applied until World War II,
Fisher Body’s involvement started during the first World War. Soon after the
U.S. entered the war in 1917, the Army granted a contract to Fisher Body for
the largest order every written in this country for airplanes. Although
Fisher Body had never before made a single airplane, it produced the first
one 48 days after taking over a government-owned building near downtown
Detroit (later used to assemble Cadillac car bodies.) It eventually reached
40 a day. By the time the rather short war for the U.S. ended, the plant had
assembled 2,005 planes.

Within months after Pearl Harbor, Detroit ’s auto industry shut down its
assembly lines and converted to the tools of war. Ford Motor was soon
turning out such items as aircraft and tank engines and gun mounts. It was
most famous for its vast Willow Run plant where 8,685 B-24 bombers were
produced. Chrysler converted its assembly lines to tanks, Army trucks,
anti-aircraft guns and assemblies for B-25 medium bombers. Detroit's Hudson
plant made sub-assemblies for the B-29 bomber and marine engines. Packard
produced engines for fighter planes and PT boats. The hundreds of automotive
supplier plants all became involved.

I don’t have a record of the items produced by the score of other General
Motors divisions but I discovered that its Fisher Body Division alone
contributed a remarkable assortment of material to the war effort. Twelve
Fisher plants were assigned for use by other GM divisions and other
companies such as Boeing and Firestone. The remaining 13 plants, mostly in
Michigan, tallied up production numbers such as these:

§ Aircraft assemblies, such as wings and tail sections, were
produced for 5,214 Mitchell B-25 bombers.
§ In Grand Blanc, 17,213 tanks rolled off the assembly line, most of
them the famous General Sherman.
§ Over in the Grand Rapids plant, the assembly line produced 2,359
anti-aircraft guns and later 550 huge 5-inch guns for the Navy's ships. They
also shipped out over a half million high-explosive 155mm shell casings,
plus aircraft and tank components.
§ In plants of the Ternstedt Division of Fisher Body, a total of
293,100 intricate gyro aircraft instruments were manufactured. The division
also produced 1.2 million parts used in fighter plane cannons.
§ Five Fisher east coast plants we re merged into the GM Eastern
Aircraft Division and was the source of three-quarters of the nearly 18,000
Wildcat and Avenger planes produced for the Navy carriers.
§ In Cleveland, a 400 acre plant was built for assembly of wings,
tail sections, ailerons, flaps, tail gun turrets and other parts for the
huge B-29 bombers as well as parts for tanks and Naval guns.
§ Also pouring out of these facilities, along with plants in Flint ,
Lansing, Detroit and Pontiac , were such items as 200,000 rocket fins, 86,000
droppable fuel tanks, 1,500 cowlings for Navy fighters and 9,352 huge
crankcases for diesel engines to power Navy ships and submarines.

Today, dozens of auto plants are closing. So are hundreds of automotive
supplier plants. One can only wonder how we could ever gear up to fill
wartime production should the need ever arise. Call up Japan , Germany or
China?

All of this wartime production stuff may sound boring and trivial to most
Americans now, but back in the 1940's it was a life and death matter for our
troops and for the defense of our country. Back then, when I was among the
millions of GI's serving overseas, I had no idea of how vital the efforts
were of our auto plants and the men and women working there in achieving
final victory. Today I do.

You can call me a sentimental old geezer still living in the past, but I'll
just keep on buying and loving the cars that best support our country's
economy today and played a huge role in keeping it free over 60 years ago.

Oh yes, I almost forgot. During those war years, 14,761 Fisher body
employees left their jobs and families to serve in the armed forces.
And 288 gave their lives.
 

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At some point in the future the cheap energy costs we currently enjoy will be history - and so will the practice of shipping products halfway around the world. At that time manufacturing (and farming) will once again be local initiatives - just because there won't be a viable alternative.

Hopefully when the time comes, we still remember how...
 

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The free ride has ended it has bnecome adapt or die time. Chrysler is in negotiations with both governments regarding the loans, govts want Cerberus to guarentee at least some of the loan, Cerberus is reluctant.

Time will tell if anybody can get their finger out in time to do some good
 

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landscaper said:
The free ride has ended it has bnecome adapt or die time.
That is a misnomer, it never was a 'free ride'.
Many worked their arses off putting in many hours with OT to earn their pay.

The point is, there is NO WAY US Automakers can compete with Third world countries paying their workers 55¢/hr ....or less even if US workers were working at minimum wage....
 

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the free ride is hte whole concept of what is good for GM is good for the states. Everybody from the corner office to the guy screwing on wheel nuts are to blame. The company refused to even try to change itself to adapt to new conditions now the chickens have come home to roost or in the case of some models to rust.
 
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