Germany, Not Greece, Should Exit the Euro

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Won't happen for historical and political reasons but this makes a ton of sense....

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Germany, Not Greece, Should Exit the Euro
By Red Jahncke Jun 10, 2012 11:00 AM ET

All the debate about the pros and cons of a Greek exit from the euro area is missing the point: A German exit might be better for all concerned.
Unless Europe’s leaders take some kind of radical action, such as adopting and executing some of the many reform ideas they have floated, the currency union is headed for disintegration.

The problems of Greece, Ireland and Portugal have spread to Spain, the fourth-largest economy in the euro area. Italy is probably next. The other members of the currency union can’t afford to bail them all out. Further loans will serve only to exacerbate the fundamental problem of too much debt and add to the growing enmity between the strong northern tier and its wards to the south. Without healthy economic growth -- and Europe is now back in a recession -- multiple countries will have to restructure their sovereign debts. Greece’s agonizing two-year restructuring experience suggests that doing several more would be extraordinarily difficult, if not impossible.

A Greek exit from the currency union would make the situation even worse. There is no mechanism to decide, or deal with, whichever nation might be next, and even that presumes that exits could be managed. The more terrifying prospect is that the other afflicted countries might exit in an uncontrollable panic, complete with bank runs, failures and general disarray. The accompanying repudiation of hundreds of billions of euros in debt would overstrain the European financial system, even Germany’s. The global economy would be paralyzed as everyone wondered which domino would be next to fall.

German Exit

What, then, might a German exit do? With integration and multiple restructurings so unlikely and withdrawal of the weak members so fraught, it might actually be the best of all available options.

A single, powerful nation would have the best shot at executing a relatively swift exit that would be over before anyone could panic. No agonizing over who exits and who doesn’t. Stripped of its German export powerhouse, the euro would depreciate sharply, but would not become a virtually worthless currency, as, for example, any re-issued Greek drachma surely would. With the euro devalued, a Greek exit and devaluation would be relatively pointless. So, no contagion or bank runs. With new exchange rates making all the non-euro financial havens prohibitively expensive, and with the threat of forced conversion into devalued national currencies removed, depositors in southern Europe would lose their impetus to run.

Germany’s exit would provide immediate benefits to all the remaining euro-area nations. The currency depreciation would radically improve their trade competitiveness -- exactly what many observers have said the weaker nations in the south need most. The euro area’s balance of payments would improve, providing sorely needed funds to service its external debt. The benefits would accrue to the euro area as a whole, as opposed to serial exits at the weak end of the spectrum, which would crush one weak nation after another, with each exit increasing pressure on the next candidate.

Other relatively strong euro-area nations, such as the Netherlands, would probably pause before following Germany’s lead. If they left, they would lose the trade advantages offered by the newly depreciated currency, and would have to bear all the costs and complications of reintroducing their own money.
The cheaper euro, of course, would be bad for foreign investors holding euro-denominated assets. On the bright side, the losses would be simultaneous in timing, spread evenly across creditors, and more moderate in the southern European countries than they would be in a euro-exit scenario.
Vital Interest

Certainly, there are problems not purely related to currency, including Spain’s real-estate bust and its impact on Spanish banks. Here the devalued currency might bring fresh foreign investment. Nevertheless, governments might have to bail out certain European banks struggling with bad assets or whipsawed somehow by the euro’s devaluation. Collective support might be required for Greece and others. Germany would still have reason to assist: Its exit from the euro would not diminish its vital interest in the survival and success of the European economy.

While polls suggest that most Germans would be happy to have their old currency back, Germany would not escape unscathed. Its exports would contract as the new exchange rate made German goods much more expensive abroad. It would be vilified for violating the orthodoxy of Europe’s post-World War II drive toward integration.

Nevertheless, such a bold move might stave off disaster today, and it wouldn’t necessarily signal the end of the European project. Famously, American revolutionaries “ran away to fight another day,” and they ultimately won. The U.S. Constitution succeeded brilliantly after the first attempt at union, the Articles of Confederation, failed.

Indeed, a German exit today might set the stage for a strong reunion tomorrow. Having learned their lessons and come to terms with economic reality, the nations of the euro area might do a better job of integration the second time around.
 

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It might make some sense in the very short term, viewed on the scale of the next couple of months, but it is a bad idea in the long run. The idea of the Euro is to unify Europe. If Germany is going to exit, there's no real point to the project.
 

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It might make some sense in the very short term, viewed on the scale of the next couple of months, but it is a bad idea in the long run. The idea of the Euro is to unify Europe. If Germany is going to exit, there's no real point to the project.
I think the project, a single currency, without fiscal policy integration is a bad idea.... we are seeing why at the moment. This would allow the remaining countries to devalue the Euro and QE their way out of their mess..... Most of the successful countries (besides France and Germany) in the EU are not on the Euro....

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Germany leaving the Euro is like pie in the sky. Which means unrealistic. Germany has been the biggest beneficiary of a single currency. But it has also been the biggest paymaster. If Germany leaves, who is going to pay the bills? No one. And the Euro would become a worthless currency. This is a suggestion without much thinking. Or baloney.

In hindsight, the British did the right thing in staying out of the Euro. No contagion And big thanks should go to the Conservatives for their foresight.
I think the thinking is (all around) that what the less productive Euro economies need is a devaluation to make their exports more attractive but German efficiency is getting in the way....

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The thinking is flat wrong. More pie in the sky economics. Any positive effects of devaluation would be negated by a punitively high interest rate that would be required to support the new currencies. Many businesses would collapse because of unaffordable credit. Inflation will shoot through the roof.

Brazil is a relatively strong economy. Yet interest rate is currently at relatively high 8.5%. It would be much higher in Greece if it left the Euro or if Germany left the Euro.
The thing to focus on is REAL interest rates, not nominal rates... those are already high for Greece and Spain, would they go up with a devaluing Euro - yes, nominally but I don't believe real rates would need to increase... they already reflect the credit risk.

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The key to Europe's security is to keep England, France, and Germany in some sort of economic union. That integration has kept Europe essentially conflict free since 1945. I don't think people appreciate how truly rare and valuable 67 years of European peace is. The economics are secondary.

Having 2nd tier countries also participate in the union is a nice to have, but not absolutely required.
 

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The key to Europe's security is to keep England, France, and Germany in some sort of economic union. That integration has kept Europe essentially conflict free since 1945. I don't think people appreciate how truly rare and valuable 67 years of European peace is. The economics are secondary.

Having 2nd tier countries also participate in the union is a nice to have, but not absolutely required.
And I thought it was the US military and nuclear artillery that has kept the intra-Euro bickering down.
 

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And I thought it was the US military and nuclear artillery that has kept the intra-Euro bickering down.
Nope. I don't think that has really made any difference, other than in an East/West sense. I think France, Germany, and the UK could all kick US forces out pretty quickly if they wanted to squabble. The thing is, the economic integration means they don't want to squabble. Squabbling isn't even remotely on their radar, and why? Because they're focused on their shared economic situation.
 

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Fact: Greece or Spain would not have much in the way of foreign reserves to back any new currency. They dont now otherwise they would not require bailouts.
Fact: Few would want to hold that Greek or Spanish currency versus the Euro or Pound Sterling without a massive incentive
Fact: That massive incentive would be much higher nominal or real interest rates.
But if Germany leaves they still have the Euro, which would devalue, with would improve exports for Euro countries.

I'm not saying there are not issues but I'm not sure the status quo is an option.
 

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Nope. I don't think that has really made any difference, other than in an East/West sense. I think France, Germany, and the UK could all kick US forces out pretty quickly if they wanted to squabble. The thing is, the economic integration means they don't want to squabble. Squabbling isn't even remotely on their radar, and why? Because they're focused on their shared economic situation.
I was just being a smart ass, yes that is the value of the EU.
 

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The key to Europe's security is to keep England, France, and Germany in some sort of economic union. That integration has kept Europe essentially conflict free since 1945. I don't think people appreciate how truly rare and valuable 67 years of European peace is. The economics are secondary.

Having 2nd tier countries also participate in the union is a nice to have, but not absolutely required.
Another perspective, this from the President of Italy Giorgio Napolitano in an interview conducted by the polish politogue Adam michnik, is that it is really Germany that wants the euro to continue to be the block's currency for political reasons. Merkel told him that Germany herself would be too small on her own to steer the future policies in the world council's. At 7% of the world's population and declining, she reportedly told napolitano that Europe must develop as close as one cohesive political unit as possible or it will become marginalized.

Germany is just using this crisis to force the laggard countries to adopt some of the policies that Germany was forced to implement in the wake of the opening up of cheap eastern European Labour in the 90s. The German political class isn't making the case to the average voter just how much their current prosperity is due to trade with neighbours...In fact 70% of German exports go to European countries. The Germans have reflate their domestic economy and take some of the scared capital that's allowing them to raise 5 year money for 0.5% and make some strategic infrastructure investments in the troubled countries which would enhance their productive capacities...even if designed and managed by German firms, the help would gratefully received.
 
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