G20 charges coming against Toronto police commanders
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Amazing that our well-paid, extremely competent, highly motivated and admirably led TPS couldn't have beaten this little civilian agency to the mark in the two years since the G20.
Wouldn't you like to live in a City where, the response to such a report was, "As we all know, the TPS standards and discipline mechanism already identified these officers, and the miscreants have been disciplined. Some are no longer with the Service, some cases are in the courts, and the exact penalties in all instances were published some time ago. We're now reviewing those findings in the light of this report and if it has new evidence we will revisit those cases. We think the citizens of the City should be proud that the report has not identified either an officer or an incident that TPS have overlooked". In our dreams.
The only good side to this is that senior officers are at last being held to account: For seemingly small but very serious oversights (jailing people with no record of their arrest, the charges against them or even that they were in custody at all, or allowing officers under their command to continue on duty without regulation ID); For their gross misunderstanding of both task and duty (giving an idiotic order at change of shift to 'take back the streets' then going off duty, or attending a photo-op with Obama out of contact with line-officers breaching the rights of hundreds of citizens in appalling conditions). But it is saddening to think it's taken two years to get here, and sadder that in the minds of TPS brass the process is only beginning.
Saddest of all is that Bill Blair is the only identified senior commander in the whole fiasco. He must take the blame for the failings of his Service in his city, but he was only a subordinate part of a faceless, secret command structure set up by the feds. An entity that remained remote in Barrie watching it all on TV and doing nothing. So far they are escaping all blame, and Blair's taking all the heat.
We don't even know who these secret police were. Though we paid billions for them, not one commander has stepped forward to say we got our money's worth, or that her people did well.
And over the years we will pay unaccountably more than mere dollars for the tarnish it left on the TPS.
Wouldn't you like to live in a City where, the response to such a report was, "As we all know, the TPS standards and discipline mechanism already identified these officers, and the miscreants have been disciplined. Some are no longer with the Service, some cases are in the courts, and the exact penalties in all instances were published some time ago. We're now reviewing those findings in the light of this report and if it has new evidence we will revisit those cases. We think the citizens of the City should be proud that the report has not identified either an officer or an incident that TPS have overlooked". In our dreams.
The only good side to this is that senior officers are at last being held to account: For seemingly small but very serious oversights (jailing people with no record of their arrest, the charges against them or even that they were in custody at all, or allowing officers under their command to continue on duty without regulation ID); For their gross misunderstanding of both task and duty (giving an idiotic order at change of shift to 'take back the streets' then going off duty, or attending a photo-op with Obama out of contact with line-officers breaching the rights of hundreds of citizens in appalling conditions). But it is saddening to think it's taken two years to get here, and sadder that in the minds of TPS brass the process is only beginning.
Saddest of all is that Bill Blair is the only identified senior commander in the whole fiasco. He must take the blame for the failings of his Service in his city, but he was only a subordinate part of a faceless, secret command structure set up by the feds. An entity that remained remote in Barrie watching it all on TV and doing nothing. So far they are escaping all blame, and Blair's taking all the heat.
We don't even know who these secret police were. Though we paid billions for them, not one commander has stepped forward to say we got our money's worth, or that her people did well.
And over the years we will pay unaccountably more than mere dollars for the tarnish it left on the TPS.
oldjones, you are right on the mark with that. My guess is they thought this would all just blow over.
The incompetence of those in charge is a discredit to the uniform and a disgrace to the force. It is a poor leader who doesn't listen to those underneath them in the command structure. Especially those on the street at the tactical level. To sit there in a somewhat insulated environment and make decisions without consulting your people on the ground, in charge of specific areas is a failure to command properly.
There's a time to command without consulting and there's a time to command with input from those that are in the thick of it, so as to make better decisions, with the best results possible. This was one of those times to consult. Amageddon wasn't upon us after all.
The incompetence of those in charge is a discredit to the uniform and a disgrace to the force. It is a poor leader who doesn't listen to those underneath them in the command structure. Especially those on the street at the tactical level. To sit there in a somewhat insulated environment and make decisions without consulting your people on the ground, in charge of specific areas is a failure to command properly.
There's a time to command without consulting and there's a time to command with input from those that are in the thick of it, so as to make better decisions, with the best results possible. This was one of those times to consult. Amageddon wasn't upon us after all.
Meanwhile, the guy who started this whole mess is getting away scot free. (Yes, I am referring to Sid Ryan.) What a society, eh?
BTW: Is Officer Bubbles one of the gang of 30? After all, the Charter allows every Canadian citizen the right to blow bubbles (or anything else) in a policeman or policewoman's face.
BTW: Is Officer Bubbles one of the gang of 30? After all, the Charter allows every Canadian citizen the right to blow bubbles (or anything else) in a policeman or policewoman's face.
You'll have to 'splain how Syd had the slightest thing to do with false arrests, kettling, abusing prisoners and such. The police are responsible for their conduct, no one else.
All that shit would have been unnecessary if our friend Sid hadn't organize that march and then provided cover for the Black Bloc. The police didn't organize the march and the police didn't invent and encourage the Black Bloc.
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I for one would vote for a law that states that ALL public demonstrations held on public property must be approved by the city, and ABSOLULEY NO face covering is allowed, any not obeying this would be arrested and charged.
Flame away, FAST
Also, supported and encouraged by civil servant unions, Sid "the skid mark" Ryan had a big smile on his face while ALL of this was going on.
I for one would vote for a law that states that ALL public demonstrations held on public property must be approved by the city, and ABSOLULEY NO face covering is allowed, any not obeying this would be arrested and charged.
Flame away, FAST
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What happened in the streets of Toronto, kind of reminds me of anarchy, but I guess you feel what the BLACK BLOCK did was ok.
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There were some out to cause trouble, but mostly there were peaceful protests.
The police were also caught out using undercover cops to start violence, at the G20 and in Quebec earlier.
They made it worse and a national spectacle.
In the US there are now laws that are not accessable to the public, they aren't allowed to read them without paying very large fees.
As soon as any government calls protesters 'terrorists', they've got a problem with dissent and as Harper said:
"When a government starts trying to cancel dissent or avoid dissent is frankly when it’s rapidly losing its moral authority to govern.”
Another missing page in your memory, as on hthe various threads on the G20 I held the 'black block' as a terrible movement, bent on pure destruction and mayhem, taking much away from the message of the majority.
I didn't know the Royal Highland Regiment was there that day, but hey, you knew.
Led by Quebec, Canada has become a nation of whiners. Did you see the Montreal cops clear that patio? I find "patio people" (close cousin of the "porch people") an odd group.
By your logic we should all stay in our houses so the police can confidently arrest anyone on the street as a criminal. And since convenience stores are responsible for attracting the losers who rob them 7-11 should be shut down.
The march was entirely legal, prearranged with the authorities, and with police consultation. Bicycle officers accompanied it, spaced at close intervals on either side. Why they didn't stop or pursue the couple of dozen easily spotted black bloc vandals when they broke out of the march and attacked stores only they can say; one trusts that's been a part of their Lessons Learned Sessions since. Blaming Ryan for the vandalism is as stupid as blaming Blair for the billions spent on security.
Of course you made up the first sentence out of the same ignorance of facts as the second. I'm sure you can supply no evidence to support either. In the world of facts: The City, and more particularly its police service did approve the march according to the Bylaws, and there already are criminal consequences for going about masked.
But if ever our pressed-for-time Parliament* and Council want to stop dealing with real issues and make you happy, they can just pass the same laws all over again.
If only that actually accomplished something.
*We note the Our Harper Government is so up against its looming summer holiday deadline that its limiting debate on its legislative program rolled into the budget bill to a matter of days. Email your MP about the new and improved anti-mask bill they should be debating.
