Future of South Africa being decided today

[danmand]

Mbeki and Zuma in bitter fight for leadership of ANC.

http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20071218154002929C885747

 

[Aardvark154]

Mbeki and Zuma in bitter fight for leadership of ANC.

http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20071218154002929C885747

This hasn't gotten much press and it is a troubling situation.

 

[danmand]

This hasn't gotten much press and it is a troubling situation.

Could very well mean the end of hope for sub-Saharan Africa.

Maybe also, now we may understand the reluctance of Mbeki to
pull the plug on Mugabe. He may have had too much resistance
from the ANC ranks.

 

[Aardvark154]

Could very well mean the end of hope for sub-Saharan Africa.

Maybe also, now we may understand the reluctance of Mbeki to
pull the plug on Mugabe. He may have had too much resistance
from the ANC ranks.

The White population is also of course much larger as well, and where does one tell an Afrikaans or Huguenot family to "go home" to after four centuries, it makes about as much sense as applying the argument to North America.

This may well put things on a track to civil war.

 

[LancsLad]

Without the hated white man south africa can become just as "successful" as zimbabwestan. Thats all we need another welfare case.

 

[kl33n]

Without the hated white man south africa can become just as "successful" as zimbabwestan. Thats all we need another welfare case.

What an ignorant comment. Mugabe's implementation of neo-liberal policies advice from the IMF and the World Bank are what drove Zimbabwe's economy to the ground. As Kwame Nkrumah once warned "Political independence, without economic independence, is but an illusion"

 

[LancsLad]

What an ignorant comment. Mugabe's implementation of neo-liberal policies advice from the IMF and the World Bank are what drove Zimbabwe's economy to the ground. As Kwame Nkrumah once warned "Political independence, without economic independence, is but an illusion"

So hows the domestic food supply going.


Take a hike with the "ignorant comment" comment. No amount of politically correct doublespeak can change reality. The formerly well off Rhodesia is now just another basketcase beggar nation.

 

[Anderson]

Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime.

The day the world desires to teach certain regions how to feed their people rather than indirectly profit Swiss bank accounts will be wonderful.

 

[danmand]

Without the hated white man south africa can become just as "successful" as zimbabwestan. Thats all we need another welfare case.

As usual, you are both ignorant and misinformed when it comes to
racial matters.

 

[LancsLad]

As usual, you are both ignorant and misinformed when it comes to
racial matters.

Not really.

Facts speak for themselves.

 

[danmand]

Not really.

Facts speak for themselves.

The history is more nyanced than what you know. It is not merely a matter of white or black. Neither is South Africa.

We agree that zimbabwe is a unmitigated disaster, and I personally expect
South Africa to go the same way over time.

 

[LancsLad]

The history is more nyanced than what you know. It is not merely a matter of white or black. Neither is South Africa.

We agree that zimbabwe is a unmitigated disaster, and I personally expect
South Africa to go the same way over time.

Okay, why then??????????????????????

 

[danmand]

Okay, why then??????????????????????

Well, first of all, the wites were unable to govern the area.
The white people did not give up the country, because they
loved the blacks. The small minority of whites became unable
to dominate the large majority of blacks.

Are you in favour of democratic, majority rule?

Secondly, the "apartheid" regime in Rhodesia, and also in South Africa,
created many of the current problems, by keeping the blacks uneducated,
uninvolved in administration and government. If you spent real time in South Africa,
as I have, you see everywhere the results of the failed attempt of keeping a
majority population under wraps.

I believe the colonioal powers must accept considerable blame for the
problems of Africa.

 

[LancsLad]

Well, first of all, the wites were unable to govern the area.
The white people did not give up the country, because they
loved the blacks. The small minority of whites became unable
to dominate the large majority of blacks.

Are you in favour of democratic, majority rule?

Secondly, the "apartheid" regime in Rhodesia, and also in South Africa,
created many of the current problems, by keeping the blacks uneducated,
uninvolved in administration and government. If you spent real time in South Africa,
as I have, you see everywhere the results of the failed attempt of keeping a
majority population under wraps.

I believe the colonioal powers must accept considerable blame for the
problems of Africa.

Can't blame whitey for everything, Hong Kong was a colony , so was India, they seem to have functioning economies, as do Bermuda and Canada.

 

[danmand]

Can't blame whitey for everything, Hong Kong was a colony , so was India, they seem to have functioning economies, as do Bermuda and Canada.

The question is: can YOU blame them for anything?

Are you in favour of majority rule?

 

[LancsLad]

The question is: can YOU blame them for anything?

Yes. Guilt ridden liberals .

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Yes. Guilt ridden liberals .

LMAO.

 

[danmand]

Yes. Guilt ridden liberals .

Well, the hardline conservative racists were unable to hang on to
any of the colonies.

 

[LancsLad]

Well, the hardline conservative racists were unable to hang on to
any of the colonies.

Don't try to play the race card to get off topic.

Answer the question about Hong Kong, India ,Bermuda and Canada. They were colonies also and seem to have done okay.

A clue might be that they embrace a free market and personal liberty, there are others but you refuse to accept them.


This is just too easy.

 

[danmand]

Don't try to play the race card to get off topic.

Answer the question about Hong Kong, India ,Bermuda and Canada. They were colonies also and seem to have done okay.

A clue might be that they embrace a free market and personal liberty, there are others but you refuse to accept them.


This is just too easy.

You are thick as a plank, as Hugh Laurie said in Blackadder.

Don't even try to compare Bermuda, Canada and Hong Kong to
South Africa and Zimbabwe. That is below even your bar.

You may be right about free market and personal liberty. These concepts
were sorely missing in white dominated Rhodesia and South Africa.