Fuji's buddies burn down some churches!!!
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It's going to get even worse. No-one in Egypt is going to believe in due process anymore. Everyone is going to turn to the gun. It's going to get pretty fucking ugly pretty fucking quickly because of this catastrophic coup that you guys egged on. Disastrous.
No they won't. The MB's will continue their violence until either their leaders tell them to stop or the security forces stop them (hopefully by arresting them rather than shooting). You are giving the MB's far far more support than they actually have. If by "you guys" you're referring to the "Crusaders and Zionist forces", then you have really swallowed the MB's koolaid. Anyway, I see it wasn't worth taking you off ignore to read this reply, because its the same old stupidity. This thread is yours.
The MB were assclowns in government, the Egyptian people were not about to exchange one form of dictatorship for another.
Egypt is not in good sociological health at the moment, most of it's non-Muslim population is emigrating in droves. It's a serious brain drain for the country that will impact the country in the long term.
History repeats itself; when Cardinal Richelieu repealed the Henry IV religious laws, French Protestants immigrated to Great Britain and Prussia. They played a vital role in Britain's empire building and the unification of Germany. Meanwhile France got Waterlooed.
The country that befitting most from Egyptian immigration is Italy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lzoX0rn3ug
Egypt is not in good sociological health at the moment, most of it's non-Muslim population is emigrating in droves. It's a serious brain drain for the country that will impact the country in the long term.
History repeats itself; when Cardinal Richelieu repealed the Henry IV religious laws, French Protestants immigrated to Great Britain and Prussia. They played a vital role in Britain's empire building and the unification of Germany. Meanwhile France got Waterlooed.
The country that befitting most from Egyptian immigration is Italy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lzoX0rn3ug
What violence? So far overwhelmingly the violence had been perpetrated against the MB. First via a military coup and now with a ruthless slaughter of people exercising their right to freedom of expression and assembly.
The amount of bullshit you spew is incredible. You wholesale make stuff up. You claim the MB violated the constitution, carried out violence, when they have done none of that.
The only side serially violating the constitution and engaging in mass political violence is your boy Al Sissi. Even El Baradei had had enough of him now.
The MB is unpopular in the West because they are Islamists and because they have an ancestral relation to terrorists like Hamas, but that are not terrorists, nor were they dictators, nor did they violate the constitution, nor did they undermine democracy.
Let me remind you that in Egypt it was the MB that repeatedly turned to polls to resolve political conflict. It was the secularists who instead turned to the gun.
Will the MB continue trying democratic methods? I don't know. Now that it had been demonstrated elections in Egypt are subject to military review they may not take them seriously anymore. But they were taking them seriously, they were giving democracy a try.
LOL.....LOL........please stop........MB and democratic methods.....lmfao......ehehehehe..lol...no more please
I wouldn't have thought so either, if you had asked me before the Arab spring I never would have predicted it, but that is in fact what they did. Too many people here base their facts on their beliefs, rather than their beliefs on the facts.
Why they were willing to try democracy I don't know. Maybe the spirit of the times. Maybe because they could read the polls. But that did try it, and ludicrously it was pro western secularists who resorted to violence and undermined it.
Few opportunities for ideological reconciliation like that come along. Maybe only once every few decades do we get the chance for that sort of political engagement with a supposed enemy, a real opening for democratic deliberation over some of the most pressing security issues of our times. That rarest thing, a guy on the other side with unprecedented legitimacy who you can work with.
The war on terror, the relationship between radical Islam and the West, the Israeli Palestinian conflict. This was an opportunity to talk, rather than shoot, on all those things.
In sixty five years of war and conflict there had never been another Mohammed Morsi, a democratic minded Arab with solid Islamist credentials. Imagine if we had reached a consensus with him on how to handle these problems, a consensus viewed as legitimate by the average religious minded Arab throughout the middle east.
We really blew it.
If I believed that the MB was behaving in a thoroughly democratic way rather than using the democratic process to permanently seize control of Egypt,then I might well agree with you. However, that was not the case.
You keep repeating yourself, but you still have not provided any evidence. Your argument boils down to "they are Islamists so it can't be democratic". A absurd, stupid argument based only on your personal beliefs and not on facts.
Let me know if you ever have any reasons for the things you think.
Because unlike you I base my beliefs on facts. You appear to base your facts on beliefs.
It is just a fact that the constitution they put to a referendum enshrined democratic elections, and it will remain a fact even if it makes your head pop.
You have already had the rushed realities of the MB Constitution pointed out to you, and how it was very much a MB to the exclusion of all others document. I don't have the time to post of the pertinent links and facts yet again.
You can believe whatever you like I merely hope that you don't mislead other members of TERB.
Common sense isn't that common
I'll try to explain it for you,...the MB is a religious (Muslim) organisation...so got it so far,...common sense would dictate that Muslims would vote as a block for,...let me guess,...???
Now to complete this lesson in logic for you,...the rest of the population does not belong to any one organisation,...so would NOT vote as a single block.
Now maybe you can understand why the majority were pissed at the out come,...and why we have this problem there.
FAST
No I can't produce any "evidence",...and you can't produce any evidence to the contrary,...BUT I can provide simple logic for you.
I'll try to explain it for you,...the MB is a religious (Muslim) organisation...so got it so far,...common sense would dictate that Muslims would vote as a block for,...let me guess,...???
Now to complete this lesson in logic for you,...the rest of the population does not belong to any one organisation,...so would NOT vote as a single block.
Now maybe you can understand why the majority were pissed at the out come,...and why we have this problem there.
FAST
Actually I can. The text of the constitution they submitted to a referendum and their resort to polls to resolve disputes are all a matter of public record. It is a fact that they did those things. The facts are a matter of public record easily cited.
You can put that more simply:
An overwhelming majority of Egyptians are Muslim, and they overwhelmingly voted to have laws based on their religion.
The MB enshrined sharia into the constitution, and while a western humanist might not like that, it is unrelated to democracy. That also wrote into the constitution that the president and the legislature would be selected through free and fair elections.
So yes that enacted an Islamist constitution, but it was also a democratic one too.
Anything based upon citizens voting in representatives has to be infinitely better than military rule.
