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French unions claim 3m on street

BBC NEWS | Thursday, 19 March 2009

French unions have claimed that up to three million people have taken part in street protests amid a national strike against France's economic policies.

Police gave an estimate of 1.2 million people at rallies nationwide.

Schools have been closed and public transport disrupted, with demonstrations held in about 200 towns.

Unions are demanding more is spent to protect workers in the recession. Unemployment has reached two million and is expected to rise further.

Union members marched towards the Place de la Nation in Paris behind a banner that read: "United against the crisis, defend employment, spending power and public services."

"They have a profound sense of social injustice," said Jean-Claude Mailly, head of the large Force Ouvriere union, "and that, I think, is something that neither the government nor the employers have understood."

Benoit Hamon, a spokesman for the French Socialist Party spokesman said France was experiencing similar problems to other countries, but that the situation was being made worse by President Nicolas Sarkozy.

"We have a president who aggravates the crisis by making the wrong economic and social choices, by his deafness regarding the general dissatisfaction," said Mr Hamom.

"He refuses to give answers regarding layoffs, regarding the cost of living, regarding the way to objectively avoid the rise in job losses in the public sector or in the public health system."

Marches were also being held in Marseille, Lyon, Grenoble and many other towns and cities.

Noel Kouici, demonstrating in Marseilles, said protesters had a "grudge" against the government.

"Of course we are angry against the government when you see the way they serve the banks and leave the people starving and losing their jobs," he said.

But the deputy mayor of Marseille, Roland Blum, told the BBC the government had done a lot to help people.

"Of course I understand the distress of people who've lost or are going to lose their jobs, but what I think is necessary is that we all work together," he said.

There protests were largely peaceful but minor scuffles were reported in several cities later in the evening.

In Paris, police used tear gas to disperse small groups of youths who were setting fire to rubbish bins and throwing bottles.

It is the second time in two months that major demonstrations have been held, following a similar display in January which drew about a million protesters.

Beleaguered industries

The strikes began on Wednesday evening on transport networks.

The national rail operator, SNCF, cancelled 40% of high-speed trains and half of regional services.

A third of flights out of Paris's Orly airport have been cancelled, while a tenth of France's electricity output has been shut down with workers on strike.

However, buses and the Metro rail system in Paris were running normally, thanks to a new law enforcing a minimum transport service during strikes,.

But with many schools and public buildings shut for the day, the number of workers travelling into the capital was reduced.

Private-sector firms were also expecting a depleted workforce, with staff from the beleaguered car industry, oil and retail sectors taking part in the strike.

Rising unemployment

The unions say the 26bn euro ($35bn; £24.5bn) stimulus package for France's struggling economy, unveiled by Mr Sarkozy in December, does not go far enough.

A further 2.4bn euros ($3.2bn; £2.3bn) of measures, including tax breaks and social benefits, presented by Mr Sarkozy after January's strike has failed to placate them.

They want him to increase the minimum wage and scrap his plans to cut public-sector jobs.

Recent polls show three-quarters of French people support the strikers.

Many commuters on Thursday said they backed the action, but hoped it would be short-lived.

"Fundamentally I agree, but too much is too much," one was quoted as saying. "There are strikes in the transport sector too often and we have to put up with them."

Mr Sarkozy said on Wednesday that he "understands the concerns of the French people" but has ruled out plans for further measures.

Unemployment is likely to shoot up to 10% in the next 12 months with a further 350,000 lay-offs expected by the end of this year.

Many people are angry that big companies like the oil giant Total is making staff redundant while simultaneously announcing record profits, the BBC's Emma Jane Kirby in Paris says.
 

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"We have a president who aggravates the crisis by making the wrong economic and social choices, by his deafness regarding the general dissatisfaction," said Mr Hamom.

"He refuses to give answers regarding layoffs, regarding the cost of living, regarding the way to objectively avoid the rise in job losses in the public sector or in the public health system."


Sounds as if they elected Obama

I am still waiting for less fluff and more proof of ability.
 

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They were all there because they thought it was a surrender/collaborate party.





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the European labour system makes ours look like sunday school sing along. My brother in law is now working here as opposed to his home country because he could not find work as an industrial engineer . Managment takes most of the job cuts because it is impposible to lay off the labour force. Benefits that make the CAW jealous including 4 to 6 weeks paid vacation a year to start less than 40 hour work weeks.

The european economy is going to go down the toilet unless somebody takes a reality pill.
 

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landscaper said:
the European labour system makes ours look like sunday school sing along. My brother in law is now working here as opposed to his home country because he could not find work as an industrial engineer . Managment takes most of the job cuts because it is impposible to lay off the labour force. Benefits that make the CAW jealous including 4 to 6 weeks paid vacation a year to start less than 40 hour work weeks.

The european economy is going to go down the toilet unless somebody takes a reality pill.

That is an interesting prediction, . However, it is the north american auto makers,
not the german, that are on the skids. For the last 40 years, the german automakers
have lived with a work week of 36 hours and 7 weeks vacation, plus generous benefits.
 

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the difference is not just the auto makers, it is the whole basis for the economy over there, there wer riots and strikes a couple of years ago when the French ( them again?) tried to reaarange the work rules to allow the manufacturers to hire younger workers, the unions would have none of it so you have an aging work force with no replacements in sight because they all emigrated.

The German auto makers have a very usefull niche, they build very nice high end and a very usable low end vehical. They left the middle ground to others to fight over
 

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papasmerf said:
"We have a president who aggravates the crisis by making the wrong economic and social choices, by his deafness regarding the general dissatisfaction," said Mr Hamom.

"He refuses to give answers regarding layoffs, regarding the cost of living, regarding the way to objectively avoid the rise in job losses in the public sector or in the public health system."


Sounds as if they elected Obama

I am still waiting for less fluff and more proof of ability.
?!?!??!?
LOL!
Sounds like you're talking about Dubya!....;)
 

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danmand said:
That is an interesting prediction, . However, it is the north american auto makers,
not the german, that are on the skids. For the last 40 years, the german automakers
have lived with a work week of 36 hours and 7 weeks vacation, plus generous benefits.
Strange that things turned out that way, eh....;)
 

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Strange that things turned out that way, eh....;)
Strange indeed. Who would have thunk that a detroit automaker has to saved by FIAT?

COLLEEN BARRY
Friday, March 20, 2009
MILAN — The Italian auto maker Fiat said Friday that it won't assume Chrysler LLC debt — current or future — in a deal for a 35 per cent stake, contradicting statements from Chrysler that it would.

The Fiat Group statement said it “intends to make absolutely clear that the proposed alliance will not entail the assumption of any current or future indebtedness to Chrysler.”

By contrast, Chrysler said Thursday in a video posted on its Web site that the Italian auto maker would be responsible for 35 per cent of Chrysler's debt to the U.S. government should a proposed alliance go through.

Fiat shares slipped 5.5 per cent to €4.43 ($6.01) on the Milan stock exchange early Friday on the Chrysler statement. After the Fiat statement, shares recovered to €4.53.

The Chrysler video featured clips from CEO Bob Nardelli, who said the company can be viable on its own, but a deal with Fiat would enhance that viability. A narrator made the statement about Fiat being responsible for the Chrysler debt.

The video remained on Chrysler's media Web site Friday morning. Messages were left for Chrysler spokeswomen seeking clarification.

Fiat is discussing trading its small-car and small-engine technology for a 35 per cent stake in Chrysler in a non-cash deal. The agreement would help Chrysler bring badly needed small cars to its showrooms while helping Fiat re-enter the American market with the Alfa Romeo brand and the update of the iconic Fiat 500.

A Fiat spokesman in Italy said Friday that negotiations with Chrysler were continuing.

Mr. Nardelli earlier this week said that Chrysler would get technology and other items worth $8-billion to $10-billion under the alliance — a contribution Mr. Nardelli said would be equal to or greater than the loans Chrysler is seeking from the U.S. government.

In the video, Mr. Nardelli said Chrysler is considering using four Fiat car architectures as well as two engines and transmissions. Those architectures would be in the categories of micro, subcompact and compact cars, said Chrysler spokesman David Elshoff.

Also in the video, Chrysler said an alliance with Fiat would help it leapfrog five or six years ahead in development of fuel-efficient and clean-air technology.

Chrysler is working to meet the conditions of its $4-billion federal loan and prove it deserves to get the additional $5-billion it has requested.

Any deal with Fiat is contingent upon the company gaining U.S. government approval of its viability plan and the release of additional government loan money to Chrysler.

Fiat CEO Sergio Marchionne has testified on the deal before the Obama administration's auto industry task force.
 

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danmand said:
Strange indeed. Who would have thunk that a detroit automaker has to saved by FIAT?
Chrysler/Fiat, what a duo!....:eek:
 

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just ran into another interesting stat, over the last 15 years the US unemployment rate has risen to a high of 7%, over the same period the French rate never got that low. It a statistic take it for what its worth.
 

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Stats are recorded differently.
France reports ALL those unemployed.
US reports only those looking for work as unemployed.
 

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Chrysler/Fiat, what a duo!
I wouldn't laugh to loudly Peckrhead; Fiat is leading the way in flex fuel technology. They've developed the most efficient cane ethanol engine on the market. They are weathering this economic downturn quite nicely grazie tante.:rolleyes:
 

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WoodPeckr said:
?!?!??!?
LOL!
Sounds like you're talking about Dubya!....;)
Woody

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WoodPeckr said:
Stats are recorded differently.
France reports ALL those unemployed.
US reports only those looking for work as unemployed.
You are completely wrong here. In all OECD countries you have to be looking for work to be unemployed. Three may be minor differences in how hard to a person has to be looking for work but if the France really did count those not looking for work, their unemployment rate would likely be around 40% to 50% of the adult population (more if you are going to try to claim they count Children next). Although recently the French numbers had been improving significantly, the very high European unemployment rates for the last 20+ years have been a topic of a lot of macroeconomic research.
 

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someone said:
You are completely wrong here. In all OECD countries you have to be looking for work to be unemployed. Three may be minor differences in how hard to a person has to be looking for work but if the France really did count those not looking for work, their unemployment rate would around 50%. Although recently the French numbers had been improving significantly, the very high European unemployment rates for the last 20+ years have been a topic of a lot of macroeconomic research.
Woody is never wrong


Just ask him
 

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papasmerf said:
Woody is never wrong


Just ask him
You're learning grasshopper....:cool:
 

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Pekker head there is never wrong..just ask him.

French unions are on the street demanding the government do something. When will people wake up to the fact government doesn't do much very well, except screw things up when they get too involved.....
 

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Bearlythere said:
When will people wake up to the fact government doesn't do much very well, except screw things up when they get too involved.....
Usually this is the case when conservatives/tories are in power....;)
 

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WoodPeckr said:
Usually this is the case when conservatives/tories are in power....;)
That is of course your opinion. History has often shown that the most effective spenders of government largesse to the greatest number have been right of center democratic movements. I just know that we are seeing once again Keynesian economics being brought to the forefront and if I remember the last time it was really tried in North America, it was Trudeau and Carter who were the propoents. Double digit inflation, double digit unemployment, red ink on the books. That aint spin pal, those stats are in the history books and Jimmy and Pierre were steering the ships on this part of the world.

Conservatives/Tories/Republicans may have their sins and snafu's as well, but last time I looked most of the great boom economic times in the free world were off shoots of the conservative swing of the 80's. The 90's had "progressives" in name only running monetary policy that was for the most part right of center. Of course you wouldn't pick up on that, you are treating this all like this is some sort of football game and you are cheering for one team vs the other. That is ok tho, I like ya anyhow Pekker....it isn't often one gets to debate someone who is as transparent as yourself.
 
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