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jwmorrice

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Here's an article on this shooting incident. At least I hope it's about the incident in question! http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11352105%5E1702,00.html

jwm

Abidjan streets teem with rioters
From correspondents in Abidjan, Ivory Coast
November 11, 2004

THOUSANDS of protesters flush with anti-French hatred filled the streets of the main Ivory Coast city Abidjan today, spoiling for a fight to defend President Laurent Gbagbo.

Egged on by national radio, which interrupted "hate" messages with snippets of Ivorian reggae star Alpha Blondy's anthem against the French military, they streamed through the downtown Plateau business district to "protect" the radio station.

Thousands more headed for the upmarket Cocody district, which has been ransacked by four days of looting and vandalism that sent French schools up in smoke and left long-time European residents of the west African former French colony beaten and stripped of all they owned.

Hospital sources said at least seven people were killed in a confrontation yesterday between French troops and the so-called "patriots" outside the luxury Hotel Ivoire in Cocody, just a kilometre from the presidential residence and where French tanks had taken up positions early on Monday.

Their presence around the hotel, which was stripped of its once-grand but now shabby furnishings yesterday, sparked a rumour - fed by state radio - that France was preparing a coup bid against Mr Gbagbo, which French military chief General Henri Poncet moved swiftly to deny.

A senior adviser to Mr Gbagbo told Europe 1 radio that 10 people had died in what he called a French "massacre" of Ivorian citizens.

French Defence Minister Michelle Alliot-Marie insisted that the victims had been caught in the crossfire between the patriots, many of whom were armed, and the Ivorian military that had moved in to defuse tensions between the French troops and the crowd.

Life in Abidjan, once one of Africa's most modern and sophisticated cities but now a battered symbol of the two years of conflict that has split Ivory Coast into two, was slowly returning to normal despite the unease and presence of French and Ivorian tanks in the streets.

Markets and shops around the economic capital were open and buses and shared taxis plied their regular routes, careful to avoid the mounting piles of garbage that have not been collected in days.

The latest chapter in Ivory Coast's turmoil opened today with a series of government air raids on key positions in the rebel-held north, one of which hit a French military camp in the second city Bouake killing nine French troops and a US civilian.

France responded by wiping out virtually the entire Ivorian air force and seizing control of the airport, which sparked a frenzy of violence in Abidjan that has left at least 600 people injured, according to the International Committee of the Red Cross.

A reported 145 people have died in the week of unrest, including 85 civilians killed in the air strikes on Bouake and Korhogo, though those figures have not been confirmed.

Already some 600 French nationals were flown out of Abidjan today, aboard two of a half-dozen planes evacuating foreign citizens from the crisis-torn country.

Gliding down the lagoon that snakes through the coastal city on a barge escorted by three French military seacraft, worried foreigners gripped their bags tightly as they came ashore near a French military post.

For many, the boat ride from the banks outside the Golf Hotel in the Riviera neighbourhood was to be their last trip anywhere in Ivory Coast, as they were among the panicked Abidjan residents closing the chapter on the last two tumultuous years.

"That is it for me, I have turned the page on my life here," said a 50-something Frenchwoman with a sigh, recalling her excitement when she arrived in Abidjan at the age of 12.

"It's time for me to see other things. I feel hunted here."
 

jwmorrice

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Here's a second article on the same subject.

jwm

France denies firing on crowd in Ivory Coast


PARIS, Nov 10 (AFP) - France denied Wednesday that its soldiers had opened fire on demonstrators outside a hotel in the main Ivory Coast city of Abidjan, killing at least seven people.

The victims were not killed by French soldiers but had been caught in the crossfire between so-called "Young Patriots" - hardline backers of Ivorian President Laurent Gbagbo - and Ivorian soldiers and police, Defence Minister Michele Alliot-Marie told reporters as she left a cabinet meeting in Paris.

"Everyone was able to see yesterday (Tuesday) that there were exchanges of fire between the crowd, the Young Patriots and Ivorian soldiers and police who were standing in between the crowd and the French armoured vehicles," she said.

"That resulted in Ivorian soldiers and police being assaulted and, to my knowledge, an Ivorian gendarme was killed," she said.

Hospital sources in Abidjan have said seven demonstrators were killed in the violence outside the Hotel Ivoire, near Gbagbo's residence in Abidjan's Cocody district, while an adviser to Gbagbo said 10 Ivorian civilians were killed by French soldiers outside the hotel.

"The massacre of civilians by French soldiers amounts to 50 dead (since the start of the unrest last week) of whom 10 were killed yesterday alone," Alain Toussaint told Europe 1 radio.

Toussaint said he based his figures on information from the Red Cross and other organisations.

A wave of anti-French demonstrations has hit Ivory Coast since French planes destroyed the Ivorian air force in retaliation for the killing of nine French peace-keepers at the weekend.

© AFP
 

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Didn't watch the video - with the kids on this holiday week.

Too bad the French didn't show such tenacity with the Germans, would have saved US a bunch of trouble.

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jwmorrice

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onthebottom said:
...Too bad the French didn't show such tenacity with the Germans, would have saved US a bunch of trouble.

OTB
While you're at it, why not lambaste them for what they did in the French and Indian War. C'mon OTB, don't let them off so easy! :rolleyes:

jwm
 

Don

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I hate it when countries slam other countries for this and that because I believe every nation is guilty of crimes. The bigger and more powerful you are, the more likely you will commit and be accused of abused (USA). But its foolish to think that one nation is beyond committing crimes. Every country in history who ever had the power has abused it. This is nothing new and not exempt to one nation or another.
 

Peeping Tom

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A State, acting in its sphere, is incapable of committing crimes, as crimes by definition arise from the social compact and thus are domestic issues. When faced with violence on the front of nature, the State acts accordingly. Actors without the authority of the State must keep this in mind when attempting to wage war against a State, which must respond with powers that said actors never dreamed possible.

Those without authority, armed with machetes, would do well to keep this lesson in mind when attacking armed troops.

French troops:

Justice++
Liberty++

Drug crazed african mob:

Darwin++
:rolleyes: ++
 

Peeping Tom

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There is no world compact and no world sovereign. The answer is simple: says who exactly?

yychobbyist said:
why there should be an International Court of Justice which prosecutes war crimes and crimes against humanity. There is a social compact with respect to these crimes as well and that social compact is determined by the world community.
Third point answers this, which is why I defined the third point - in anticipation of your second.

Nobody likes being ruled over by foreign troops (I sure as hell would be pissed). But, reverting back to the state of nature is never an appropriate recourse - this is why foreign troops are there, i.e., they can't govern themselves. Confronting troops in a state of nature is never a good idea.

Secondly, if you are an armed force in a nation full of irate and aggrieved people who are angry enough to confront you with machetes , you should count yourself very lucky if those people don't drop their machetes and pick up explosives which they strap to their bodies and then set off in large groups of armed troops.
Lastly, why are crowds of angry Africans always "drug crazed"? Are Africans just too stupid to be angry without first chewing on some Khat?
 
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