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For those supporting Hezbollah's tactics

basketcase

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It is quite often that people support Hezbollah in their use of the civilian population as they are not able to stand up to the might of Israel. Here is a different opinion, from the star of all places.

But Israel says Iran and Syria also used those six years to provide satellite communications and some of the world's best infantry weapons, including modern, Russian-made anti-tank weapons and Semtex plastic explosives, as well as the training required to use them effectively against Israeli armour.

It is Hezbollah's skilful use of these weapons — in particular, wire-guided and laser-guided anti-tank missiles, with double, phased explosive warheads and a range of about three kilometres — that has caused most of the casualties to Israeli forces.

Hezbollah's Russian-made anti-tank missiles, designed to penetrate armour, have damaged or destroyed Israeli vehicles, including its most modern, the Merkava, on about 20 per cent of their hits, Israeli commanders at the front said.

Hezbollah has also used anti-tank missiles, including the less modern Sagger, to fire from a distance into houses in which Israeli troops are sheltered, with a first explosion cracking the typical cement block wall and the second going off inside.

"They use them like artillery to hit houses," said Brig. Gen. Yossi Kuperwasser, until recently the Israeli army's director of intelligence analysis. "They can use them accurately up to even three kilometres, and they go through a wall like through the armour of a tank."
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ageid=968332188492&col=968793972154&t=TS_Home

If this is true, they have the ability to battle in the open but they don't. I guess they enjoy what happens to their civilians.
 

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basketcase said:
It is quite often that people support Hezbollah in their use of the civilian population as they are not able to stand up to the might of Israel. Here is a different opinion, from the star of all places.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ageid=968332188492&col=968793972154&t=TS_Home

If this is true, they have the ability to battle in the open but they don't. I guess they enjoy what happens to their civilians.
I for one do not support Hezbollah's tactics. Neither does the UN. But I'm not impressed with Israel's battle tactics either. And neither is the UN. Unfortunately Hezbollah is not going to disarm by force without many more needless civilian deaths. Israel needs not continue. Their fight has not been successful enough and future prospects involve many more civilian deaths. They've lost 61 Israeli soldiers and 38 civilians. They were half that only a week ago. And what have they achieved? Israeli security officials told their cabinet Aug.6th that 165 Hezbollah fighters are confirmed killed and another estimated 200 participants killed. Approx. 1700 remain and recruitment maybe escalating due to the battle. Hezbollah on the other hand says only 50 of their fighters have been killed. That leaves 28 Lebanese army soldiers and 500-600 Lebanese civilians killed so far. Its obvious that the many innocent deaths are outweighing the accomplishments. In good conscious Israel needs to leave and let a ceasefire fall into place.
 

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*d* said:
I for one do not support Hezbollah's tactics. Neither does the UN. But I'm not impressed with Israel's battle tactics either. And neither is the UN. Unfortunately Hezbollah is not going to disarm by force without many more needless civilian deaths. Israel needs not continue. Their fight has not been successful enough and future prospects involve many more civilian deaths. They've lost 61 Israeli soldiers and 38 civilians. They were half that only a week ago. And what have they achieved? Israeli security officials told their cabinet Aug.6th that 165 Hezbollah fighters are confirmed killed and another estimated 200 participants killed. Approx. 1700 remain and recruitment maybe escalating due to the battle. Hezbollah on the other hand says only 50 of their fighters have been killed. That leaves 28 Lebanese army soldiers and 500-600 Lebanese civilians killed so far. Its obvious that the many innocent deaths are outweighing the accomplishments. In good conscious Israel needs to leave and let a ceasefire fall into place.
I don't support Hezbolah at all, for the benefit of the world I hope they all go out and suicide bomb themselves. I've supported Israel's right to defend itself since day 1, but even if your going by the code of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, Israel is starting to take this thing just a bit too far in my opinion. They've proved their point, nobody should fuck with Israel. But how many hundreds of innocent people are they going to have to kill to get the small minority of Hezbolah cowards that hides their rocket launchers in kindergarten classes and hospitals? They are completely bombing the shit out of Lebanon in order to get at a small minority of cowards. This is the problem.

Its almost like saying there's a problem with street gangs at Jane and Finch, so lets just kill the whole neighborhood so we make sure we we get a couple of dozen gang bangers..

The only other solution would be for Hezbolah to stop hiding in daycare centers and childrens hospitals and come out and fight out in the open. But thats not going to happen.
 

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How can any one of u expect Hez to come out and fight fair? They will get slaughtered in minutes. You want them to fight fair, than have the USA give Hez the same weapons and let them have it out in the open with 2000 israeli soldiers. To the winner go the spoils. Done , finished, overwith and fair. Otherwise, enough about all these tactics. All the tactics from both sides are b.s. war crap thats been going on for ever.
 

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onrop said:
How can any one of u expect Hez to come out and fight fair? They will get slaughtered in minutes. You want them to fight fair, than have the USA give Hez the same weapons and let them have it out in the open with 2000 israeli soldiers. To the winner go the spoils. Done , finished, overwith and fair. Otherwise, enough about all these tactics. All the tactics from both sides are b.s. war crap thats been going on for ever.
Fair enough. But when they choose to use civilian population as a screen and a shield, it's just a bit laughable for them to point the finger of blame at the Israelis for the inevitable civilian casualties. I sure wouldn't be too happy if these maniacs were lauching Katushya missiles from my back yard. I might think my life expectancy just shrunk in a very major way.

Uly
 

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onrop said:
How can any one of u expect Hez to come out and fight fair? They will get slaughtered in minutes. You want them to fight fair, than have the USA give Hez the same weapons and let them have it out in the open with 2000 israeli soldiers. To the winner go the spoils. Done , finished, overwith and fair. Otherwise, enough about all these tactics. All the tactics from both sides are b.s. war crap thats been going on for ever.
If you give Hezbollah the same weapons that Israel has you will see massacres of innocent civilians in Israel. The more Jews dead the better. They are subhuman and those who support them aren't much higher up the food chain. Shame on Duceppe, Coderre, Boisclair and other politicians who marched with the terrorist supporters/sympathizers in Montreal - political opportunism at its worst.
 

basketcase

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It is a simple fact that Hezbollah and the like laugh at the western view of life. We see the protection of lives as a mainstay of our morality. For the likes of Hezbollah and Hamas, lives are secondary to the cause and if Israel and the west are wary of killing civiians, that is their weakness.
 

Argocock

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basketcase said:
It is a simple fact that Hezbollah and the like laugh at the western view of life. We see the protection of lives as a mainstay of our morality. For the likes of Hezbollah and Hamas, lives are secondary to the cause and if Israel and the west are wary of killing civiians, that is their weakness.
True but if your going to have to kill 40 or 50 civilians just to kill one terrorist thats a pretty scary ratio...its true that every action demands a reaction and Israel was more than justified in its reaction but now this is going on 30 days of a straight one sided slaughter with no end in sight and no real evidence that all the bombing is really harming the people it was intended to harm-Hezbolah..so I guess the options are just wait for Lebanon to get bombed clear off the map or somehow they call a ceasefire that can be enforced
 

basketcase

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Any ceasfire will be claimed by Hezbollah as a victory. The death toll on both sides sickens me, and as opinions from Israel show them as well, but it doesn't seem to matter to Hez and Ham.
 
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