First Cousins, Marriage?!!!

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Kitsune

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I found out just recently that is was legal here and most of the world for first cousins to marry and I kinda found it shocking. After deliberating in my own moral outlook I agree somewhat with the legality of this then where should the line be Siblings, aunts, uncles etc. ?
Two people should be able to do as they wish. So than why if two cousins can marry , why can't two same gender couples? Answering my own question I guess it is mainly due to religion, nowhere in the bible forbid cousins. Anyways just some rambling from a guy with too little sleep, and too much time on his hands.
 
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Coming from a small southern ontario town reknowned for the inbreding of the populace, ( not our family, we were considered outsiders even though we lived there for 30 yrs.). I can state with fear out of denial that when you swim in the shallow end of the gene pool, you get alot of strange results.

The closer the gene's between spouses the more likely you have off spring that are immune defieienct and more likely to have mild retardation.
 
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ham2004 said:
Coming from a small southern ontario town reknowned for the inbreding of the populace ...
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Inbreeding is not as Frankensteinian as our knee jerk reaction implies that it is. In fact it is quite common among European royalty and the very rich (maybe that explains their idiosyncratic behavior). In fact up until recently (the last 30 years) it is more common than you would imagine in non-urban centers throughout the world (including Italy! and much of Provincial Europe). Surely most of us have ancestors who were the first cousins of their spouse or even the father of the person that they impregnated. I doubt that retardation is significantly higher among cousins who have offspring. That said, it is true that there is a higher incidence of autoimmune disease and such like problems. For example hemophilia in Queen Victoria's descendants. But certainly ... call out the mob … and tell them to bring their pitchforks. :p
 
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Damn where are those marshmallows when you need them :)
 
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The occasional first-cousin inbreeding is unlikely to result in defects. However, when inbreeding occurs for several generations the risks become much higher.

I'm partially inbred - grandpartents on father's side were 1st cousins (not terribly uncommon for a French Canadian) - no genetic defects have been identified. But had my father married with one of his cousins (who herself would have been inbred in the same way) and then the descendants (my generation) also married within the family - the likelihood of defects would have been greatly increased.
 
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If there was a prohibition in the Bible against cousin marriage, you'd still have a hard time explaining where Adam and Eve's boys found wives.
Until we figured out how to manipulate genes directly, all animal breeding was done using cousin (and closer) mating to select desireable characteristics. There's nothing about it that 'guarantees' bad results, except failing to look at the family tree and think ahead, and as someone else said, with cousin marriage, "you know the family".
However we are programmed, as other animal species are, to find the stranger more attractive than the sibling, which works to prevent species-wide vulnerability. The occasional cousin marriage now and then is unlikely to affect that much.
 
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The best arguments against marrying your cousin are the royal families of Europe.
 
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secret_touch said:
Anyone w/the same bloodline may have children w/deformaties and/or retardation, and God knows what else....
High risk!
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The risk exists for all children. Why should it be greater with cousin parents? The only way it is increased in the "same bloodline" is if both parents carry a gene for a birth defect, and that gene is recessive—i.e. would have no effect if the other parent didn't have the same one. Dominant genes are called that because a single one from a single parent—wouldn't matter who the other parent was—determines the child. So they don't matter here. There isn't some sort of genetic incest-stew that overcooks and spoils the genes, and makes bald-headed banjo-pickers who live under the porch. It's precisely the same kind of predictable combinations as with any two people.

That said: Any two people may not know much about each other's heritage, or their own. But cousins at least have common knowledge. Therefore cousins can look back a generation or two and maybe spot undesireable characteristics which are carried on recessives they both share (or they may love receding chins). So they might be clever enough to get genetic counselling before considering children. Your average couple's more likely to "just wing it" and… well, there are all too many tales of families having to struggle to make live with chidren born different.

Some truth, mostly old wives' tales, especially these days.
 
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Hmmm.. Why?

Why is it that my Family Tree has no branches???

Not sure bout y'all, but I find family reunions are the best place to meet women..
 
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From experience?

sweet guy said:
That is so true. ... NEVER AND EVER think of marrying your first cousins even she is a super hottie.
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... or you might wind up with a "sweet kid"? :p
 
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sweet guy said:
NEVER AND EVER think of marrying your first cousins even she is a super hottie.
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Or just use birth control. If there's no danger of conceiving, other than tradition and the "ickiness" factor, there's no reason not to. But then if you're just doing it for the sex, there's no reason to get married.
 
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Kitsune said:
Answering my own question I guess it is mainly due to religion, nowhere in the bible forbid cousins.
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According to the Bible the entire human race is a product of incest.
 
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Kitsune said:

Two people should be able to do as they wish. So than why if two cousins can marry , why can't two same gender couples? Answering my own question I guess it is mainly due to religion, nowhere in the bible forbid cousins. Anyways just some rambling from a guy with too little sleep, and too much time on his hands.
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It boils down to a lifestyle choice. Once you've reduced letting someone marry over a lifestyle choice (ie. gays/lesbians), you really can't start picking and choosing who and who cannot marry.

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Re: well they say....

longfirmleggss said:
incest is best!!!!!!!!!! ewwwww

besides look at it this way....you already know the family...hahahahaha

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Yeah but, your family tree looks like a piece of bamboo.
 
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