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Now this is an issue I'd like to see the debates focus on....

Billions go to House panel members' districts

By Ken Dilanian, USA TODAY
Members of the House who crafted a controversial $286 billion farm bill up for a vote today comprise about a tenth of the chamber, but their districts have reaped 42% of the benefits of past crop subsidies, an analysis of farm spending shows.

Constituents of the 46 House Agriculture Committee members, who have bucked complaints from Republican and Democratic critics that the bill is too extravagant, received $15 billion in commodity subsidies from 2003-2005, according to the non-partisan Environmental Working Group, which tracks farm spending.

That newly released data illustrate the extent to which entrenched interests have played a role in shaping a farm bill that the Bush administration threatened Wednesday to veto as too costly.

The five-year, $286 billion spending plan has been shaped by a small group of vested interests, critics say. The measure would funnel subsidies to farmers even when crop prices are high, and it would continue a system that concentrates benefits among the largest and richest farmers.

Rep. Ron Kind of Wisconsin, a leading Democratic opponent, said having the Agriculture Committee set the terms of debate is "a guarantee of the status quo," because the panel is beholden to "powerful and entrenched interests." Agribusiness spent $44.6 million on political contributions from 2005 to 2006 and $193 million on lobbying, according to the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics, which tallies political money.

Committee Chairman Collin Peterson, D-Minn., said the bill heeds calls for change because it bars benefits to farmers who earn more than $1 million a year in adjusted gross income. "We are moving as far as we can," he said Tuesday.

The president had proposed a $200,000 cap — which would have cut off subsidies to 38,000 of the richest farmers. Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns said Peterson's plan would affect 7,000 wealthy farm owners and operators.

Bush's proposal was designed to alter a system that concentrates benefits among larger farms. The top 10% of crop subsidy recipients took in 66% of the money — $23 billion of $35 billion — from 2003-2005, according to the working group.

Wednesday, Johanns called the House bill '"a step backward." He warned it would require a tax increase and said he would urge the president to veto it if it passes as written. "We just can't be satisfied with farm policy that fails to embrace the future," he said.

Kind, from a rural Wisconsin district, is leading a group of House members in an effort to oppose Peterson's bill on the House floor.

His amendment would save $13 billion while slashing subsidies and shifting farm spending into conservation, nutrition and rural development programs.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who voted for a similar Kind amendment during the last reauthorization of the farm bill in 2002, supports the committee bill, calling it a "careful balance."

Fruit and vegetable growers, including those in her home state of California, would win new subsidies in the package.

"So many elected officials are afraid of alienating the small number of very wealthy constituents whose ox would be gored by reform," said Chuck Hassebrook, executive director of the Center for Rural Affairs in Omaha.

The ranking Republican on the committee, Bob Goodlatte of Virginia, said, "This is a forward looking modern farm bill with a significant amount of reform in it that still protects the safety net for the American farmer."

Crop subsidies from 2003-2005

From 2003 through 2005, $14.7 billion in crop subsidies went to the congressional districts of members on the House Committee on Agriculture, an analysis by the non-partisan Environmental Working Group found. That was 42.4% of the total subsidies.

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I would cut oil subsidies ahead of cutting farm subsidies.

If the cost of oil (and by extension transportation) were allowed to increase then farmers would be more competitive in local markets and less in need of subsidy.
 

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I think the farmers already get a big subsidy..it's called Ethanol..

on the wholesale level we see huge increases in all corn related products like chicken, pigs, dairy, cows , cereal etc..ut is a question of weeks before the average joe will feel the pinch..so much for ethanol.
WE scramble to increase the minimum wage and take it back by artificially inflate prices on the most basic goods..maybe somebody can explain the logic to me?
 

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DonQuixote said:
Not just yet. But stand by.

My problem with ethanol is one of ethics and morality.

I know, I know. Another worthless posting.

Consider for a moment the increase in cost of food
were we to start processing grain for oil and the
increased cost of food staples for those living on
the edge of starvation.

We fill our SUVs with grain and those using that
food have to pay more to survive. I guess thats
one way to reduce the population and indirectly
the creation of less CO2.
We burn food and let people starve...this makes sense on some planet.
 

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DonQuixote said:
You've got to wonder, don't you?
Whose in charge and what's their
agenda.

I guess its all about the economy, dummy!!! :cool:
I think this is more about "appearing to do something" regardless if it makes sense or not. Any report i have seen on Ethanol doesn't make it a real viable choice in the long run, at least in the current format.
So while pandering to the enviromental nazis, they screw the little guy, by forcing him to pick up the tab in form of higher food prices, which in turn pays for the subsidies.....sigh...your goverment at work.
 

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While both parties peforming their political theater and divert from the real issues, they use the cover to missmanage our money.
Does it really matter who spends what and where, isn't the real issue that it gets miss spend?

DQ,
Cry me a river...the D's are masters when it comes to fanning the flame of class warfare.
 

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Why not work to get Ron Paul elected President?

He saw poor patients for free rather than taking government health care payments.

He has not signed up for a congressional pension.

He has never voted to raise congressional pay.

He has voted against every unbalanced budget.

He opposes farm subsidies.

If he is President then no more subsidy bills are signed.
 

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markvee said:
Why not work to get Ron Paul elected President?

He saw poor patients for free rather than taking government health care payments.

He has not signed up for a congressional pension.

He has never voted to raise congressional pay.

He has voted against every unbalanced budget.

He opposes farm subsidies.

If he is President then no more subsidy bills are signed.
He has no charisma
He is not media friendly
He doesn't play the soundbite game
He is too honest
 

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frasier said:
He has no charisma
He is not media friendly
He doesn't play the soundbite game
He is too honest
I hope you mean this as being the reason he will not be elected rather than the reason you won't vote for him.

Would you prefer a charismatic, lying, media friendly, soundbite game player as President?

And what do you mean no charisma (the only trait I could stomach from the list)? Look at the babe Ron Paul scored away from Barack Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PKbOh2fnXw
 

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markvee said:
I hope you mean this as being the reason he will not be elected rather than the reason you won't vote for him.

Would you prefer a charismatic, lying, media friendly, soundbite game player as President?

And what do you mean no charisma (the only trait I could stomach from the list)? Look at the babe Ron Paul scored away from Barack Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PKbOh2fnXw
That is exactly what I meant....with the dumbing down of the general population leaders with brains are less in demand then leaders with charisma.

They rather listen to this kind of shit..

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0707/Edwards_They_want_to_shut_me_up.html
 

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frasier said:
That is exactly what I meant....with the dumbing down of the general population leaders with brains are less in demand then leaders with charisma.

They rather listen to this kind of shit..

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0707/Edwards_They_want_to_shut_me_up.html
Thanks for the link of media golden boy Edwards decrying the media.

Edwards said:
This stuff's not an accident. Nobody in this room should think this is an accident. You know, I'm out there speaking up for universal healthcare, ending this war in Iraq, speaking up for the poor. They want to shut me up. That's what this is about. "Let's distract from people who don't have health care coverage. Let's distract from people who can't feed their children.... Let's talk about this silly frivolous nothing stuff so that America won't pay attention
Edwards does not want to talk about the war in Iraq or about health care either, at least not with someone who has a credible track record and concrete plans like Dennis Kucinich.

From: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwgLlDbwNwU
From youtube link said:
John Edwards: "We should try to have ... a serious and a smaller group.

(Pause in whispering as Dennis Kucinich walks by)

Hillary Clinton: We've got to cut the number ... because they are just being trivailized.
 

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bbking said:
...and of course funds to GOP districts (Tom Delay for one, bridge to no where for another) didn't occur during the time the Republicans controlled the House, Senate and the Executive.

Shame on you OTB to attack this when you let your side do the same thing only on a much larger scale.

You attack the Dems as being overtly partisan, however you forget the difference in responses to hurricanes in Republican friendly Florida and Democrat leaning Louisiana (New Orleans). Again shame on you.


bbk
I think this is a bi partisan crime.

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