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Evolution of Dancing in SC

Trelew

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Just some late night musings....


It was interesting to see how things have gone in the last 20 years in SC. In some clubs you see some forging ahead, where other clubs have either made a choice or have been forced to take a step backwards.

20 years ago the ladies carried around or got these cheap little plastic step stools to dance on in front of the guys. You usually had to keep your hands where they could be seen and you were not allow to touch. The price then was $5 (now ranging from 10 to 20)

By the mid 80, the Texas lap dance came in. Basically it was mutual touching. It was more than the table dance ($5 or 10) usually going for 20 bucks. This started a bit of a war between the girls who would and those that won't. Of course the resentment of those that wouldn't "deamean" themselves to doing lap dances, because those that would , would be getting most of the dances. In the late 80's various Ontario municiple police started laying charges under the guise of public lewdness and the such. This paved the way for the Ontario Supreme Court to outlaw lap dances. In 2001, Canada's first female Supreme Court justice reversed that judgement, making it legal again....sort of. Mutual touching was consider acceptable in a strip club setting, so long as no penetrating sex or blowjobs were being done. But in the typical government style, ie one step forward several steps back, various municiple governments started to pass city by-laws saying that it was illegal to doing lap dances, basically undermining the Federal Court decision siting that lap dancing infringes on "commmunity standards of morality" (yeah, right!)

In the last year, we now have some SC (most notably border & GTA clubs) offering up BJ and FS in the clubs! The prices for these usually range from 100-140. Now while I have no problem with dancers who offer extras to us hobbyist, I think that this has gone beyond what I think should be acceptable. I personally think that lap dances are ok in the clubs but full out sex acts should be kept to other locales other than the SC. Also this is has created even worse war then lap dances ever did with the dancers. A friend of mine went down to NF to dance thinking of more money to be had, but was shocked that the majority of the dancers at the club she went to were offering escort services. Because she declined from doing that, she wanted to dance not escort, she didn't really make that much money. The girls that did were in more demand than the ones who didn't.

Currently the situation is this: You have a Federal Court decision allowing lap dance but various City By-Laws thumbing thier collective noses at it citing that lap dances hurt the moral character/standards of the community. Which I think is bullshit! Also you having some clubs who are pushing the boundaries which "allow" some escorting services in thier club to take place. Personally I think lap dances are ok within the club but not sex acts!

What do you think?

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Wonderful Summary!

I have often said if you want sex, see an escort don't put a strip club at legal risk by trying to get "extras".

You Canadians are so lucky anyway vs us down here in the U.S. without the sexual freedoms you enjoy. But you keep wanting to spoil it at strip clubs when you are so fortunate to have totally legal escorts or massage places that aren't bothered for just a hj.

If you want more see an escort! No criminal or bylaw risk.

I love the 3 liberal clubs in Mississauga I often visit. I never seek anything directly sexual and get upset when other do risking my future enjoyment of my favorate playlands since I love the full body good touch legal interactions allowed far more than in the City of Toronto clubs. But I would never dream of getting a hj or more ... I enjoy nude-revere parlors so much for "relief" or legal escorts for full service.

Old Dave's Sermon from down here in Phoenix waiting for you to warm up a bit and have the SAR scare go away by the time I come again in a few weeks.
 

Tucker

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Re: Amen from Liberated Christians !

Dave in Phoenix said:
AMEN from Liberated Christians
http://www.libchrist.com I have often said if you want sex, see an escort don't but a strip club at legal risk by trying to get "extras".

You Canadians are so lucky anyway vs us down here in the U.S. without the sexual freedoms you enjoy. But you keep wanting to spoil it at strip clubs when you are so fortunate to have totally legal escorts or massage places that aren't bothered for just a hj.

If you want more see an escort! No criminal or bylaw risk.

I love the 3 liberal clubs in Mississauga I often visit. I never seek anything directly sexual and get upset when other do risking my future enjoyment of my favorate playlands since I love the full body good touch legal interactions allowed far more than in the City of Toronto clubs. But I would never dream of getting a hj or more ... I enjoy nude-revere parlors so much for "relief" or legal escorts for full service.
Well said Dave,I could not agree more !!!
 

Fred Zed

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Re: Amen from Liberated Christians !

Dave in Phoenix said:
AMEN from Liberated Christians
http://www.libchrist.com

Wonderful Summary!

I have often said if you want sex, see an escort don't put a strip club at legal risk by trying to get "extras".

Interesting points there Trelew and Dave.

However, I don't know why it is always assumed that it's the client who asks for extras. I think sometimes they are offered ( whether directly or implied is another matter ). If the dancer is attractive and sexy ( and the client has had a few drinks and his judgement is somewhat impaired ); it may be hard for him to resist.
 

Trelew

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I think that where some of the problems lie, Fred. There are some dunderheads out there who thinks that if one dancer does it they all do it! Guys, please be aware of these things before you go asking things, it can save a lot of grief.

I know some dancers will not do a lap dance, much less a BJ or FS in a club! And there are some clubs that will not even allow it. Sit back and observe what's going on around you, especially if you are in a club that you don't usually frequent. I find within 30 minutes you can findout what you can and cannot get away with. At the Hamilton TERB party, I had to play peacemaker with the management because one of our partygoers thought the Million $ was the same as Seductions. This TERBite thought it was cool to ask a dancer there for a BJ, obviously it wasn't!

Remember, what's cool in bar doesn't mean its the standard for all clubs. This addage also goes for dancers too.
 
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