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dj1470

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So McSquinty's cash grab, tax-on-a-tax, idiotic eco-fee is now scrapped possibly due to overwhleming public opinion.

Good.

My question now is . . . . where do I get my money back?

OR

Better yet . . . . . what is going to happen to the already collected money.
It's probably in the million range by now. I've personally probably paid over $5 in this tax.

As a taxpayer I really want to know where this money is and what it is going to be used for.
 

Kilgore Trout

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I don't understand how Canadian Tire has the right to stop collecting the tax.

If Speedy Muffler suddenly decides that the GST/PST is badly thought out and implemented and declares it won't collect it for the government anymore the government doesn't go "oh, that's a good point, feel free not to bother collecting the tax for us anymore".
 

Cassini

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I don't understand how Canadian Tire has the right to stop collecting the tax.
Technically, Canadian Tire does not have the right.

What Canadian Tire can do is say: "This tax makes no sense, and we see no practical way to implement it, even though we have already spent $x,xxx,xxx on it." The government can't force Canadian Tire to do something infeasible.

Secondly, Canadian Tire is also making the point that the tax is inconsistent. They can't explain the tax rates to their customers. In Canada, the government is supposed to be fair and transparent. It is not supposed to be randomly preferential to one product (manufacturer) over another product (manufacturer) for no explicable reason. International agreements are present to this effect. As such, Canadian Tire has a loop hole here to.

It is a very gutsy move on Canadian Tire. If they did not win in court, they would have to pay the taxes and penalties themselves.
 

biog

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Technically, Canadian Tire does not have the right.

What Canadian Tire can do is say: "This tax makes no sense, and we see no practical way to implement it, even though we have already spent $x,xxx,xxx on it." The government can't force Canadian Tire to do something infeasible.

Secondly, Canadian Tire is also making the point that the tax is inconsistent. They can't explain the tax rates to their customers. In Canada, the government is supposed to be fair and transparent. It is not supposed to be randomly preferential to one product (manufacturer) over another product (manufacturer) for no explicable reason. International agreements are present to this effect. As such, Canadian Tire has a loop hole here to.

It is a very gutsy move on Canadian Tire. If they did not win in court, they would have to pay the taxes and penalties themselves.
It wasn't a tax per se. As it was a 'fee' it was left to the retailer to decide if they were going to pass it on to the consumer or not.
 

rhuarc29

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My question now is . . . . where do I get my money back?
I paid $60 in eco-fees during its stint. I don't expect to get it back. I was under the impression the money goes directly towards recycling programs and disposal costs associated with some items.
 

shakenbake

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I paid $60 in eco-fees during its stint. I don't expect to get it back. I was under the impression the money goes directly towards recycling programs and disposal costs associated with some items.
Much like the road tax we pay at the pump and it hardly gets used to maintain the shiity roads in this provinve?
 

Natalie

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No it's not...just hidden for the next three months at the taxpayers expense. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/100720/business/eco_fees


By Maria Babbage, The Canadian Press

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TORONTO - Ontario taxpayers are still on the hook for a controversial eco-fee program that the governing Liberals are retooling amid widespread public confusion and retail angst.


Consumers won't be charged eco fees at the cash register, but the government will fork over up to $5 million to keep the program going over the next three months, Environment Minister John Gerretsen said Tuesday.


In other words, the program's cost has shifted to taxpayers, he acknowledged.


"For the next 90 days, the government will absorb — through our general taxes — the cost of running the program, because the program is a good program," he said.


"It's better to keep this material out of our landfills and our water supplies than anything else."


The public made it clear it wanted the fee program to change, so the government will take three months to come up a better plan to offset the cost of recycling potentially hazardous items, he said.


After that, "it remains to be seen" who will end up paying for the program, Gerretsen said. But consumers will end up paying more to use everyday products like laundry detergent, household cleaners and compact fluorescent bulbs from now on.


"There is a cost to doing something in an environmentally friendly fashion," he said.


"Yes, if we want to make sure these items remain out of our landfills, remain out of a water stream, there is a cost. But if we don't do anything, the ultimate cost to future generations ... is going to be a lot more."


Gerretsen admitted the government and Stewardship Ontario — which oversees the program — fumbled in rolling out the changes, which saw fees of a few cents to a couple of dollars levied on thousands of household products on July 1.


The governing Liberals gave the industry-led organization the power to collect the fees, which were first introduced in 2008 on a small number of items. But there was no public warning that the levy would be slapped on a wider array of products earlier this month, such as fire extinguishers and household cleaners.


"We, the Ministry of the Environment, the government and I as minister could have done a better job of helping them communicate those changes," he said. "And I take full responsibility for that."


The government signalled its reversal Monday, shortly after Canadian Tire announced it would stop charging the fee because the program was too confusing.


The retailing giant, which apologized to customers for overcharging some fees, blamed the widespread confusion on a botched rollout and a complex fee structure that had both consumers and businesses baffled.


"It's one of the most chaotic approaches to managing a public issue that I've seen in a long time," said NDP environment critic Peter Tabuns.


"It was clear to me that the minister was not really certain where he was going, the province doesn't know where it's going. They have a huge problem on their hands."


Businesses who make the products should bear the cost of the recycling program, not Ontario families who are already overtaxed and struggling to make ends meet, he said.

The government's flip-flop on eco fees is the latest retreat for Liberals, who've been forced to pull back on poorly articulated policies that have backfired with the public.

Premier Dalton McGuinty pulled the plug on a sex-ed curriculum that irked parents and religious groups, issued a mea culpa for a secret fence law for the G20 summit that drew howls of outrage from civil libertarians, and killed plans to sell off a stake in Ontario's largest Crown corporations to slay the province's huge deficit — all in the last four months.

"Today the truth finally caught up with Dalton McGuinty and forced him to temporarily back down on his eco tax grab just as he was forced to back down on his misguided sex-ed curriculum changes and his SuperCorp plans before that," said Opposition Leader Tim Hudak.

Families should be worried, he added. Gerretsen never apologized for the approving his "eco tax scheme" nor admit to trying to sneak it in on the same day consumers were hit with the new 13 per cent harmonized sales tax.

"We believe the shell game will continue," Hudak said.

"Most importantly, the McGuinty government is pointedly refusing to bury this tax grab once and for all."
 

Moraff

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I've sent an email up to the gov't asking if retailers are expected to remit the fees already collected. If the answer comes back as no then I'll be taking my receipts and asking for a refund.
 
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