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Don't underestimate the threat to American democracy at this moment

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In the early morning hours after election day, the president of the United States showed his authoritarian ambitions. He launched an attack on our democratic system at a moment when it is at its most fragile in recent memory. His lies about the results of the election erode trust in the fairness of the democratic process and risk provoking violence. Now we are dependent on media, especially the outlets most popular with Donald Trump’s base, to rein in the chaos he is encouraging.

This grave threat comes from the president’s false declaration of victory, despite no evidence that he had won the election, and with millions of valid votes yet to be counted. He referred to any suggestion that he had lost as “a fraud on the American public”. In one breath, he declared that “we want all voting to stop” and that “we don’t want any ballots to be found at four in the morning.” This conflation of voting after election day and counting votes after election day – a standard practice in every election – is deeply misleading and deeply dangerous.

In this respect, its damage is far worse than many of the many fibs Trump has made while in office. His suggestion is a direct lie, one that comes while millions of voters look to him to understand who our legitimate president will be. In past elections, the media – specifically TV networks – served as the main gatekeepers of results, but this president communicates directly to his base through social media, avoiding the reputable news organizations that could factcheck him in real time. This means that his unsubstantiated claims of victory – and of electoral fraud perpetrated by Democrats – are being fed directly to his base. Many will believe him, undermining confidence in the ultimate legitimate results and sowing discord and potentially violence.

The problem of Trump’s unfiltered reach coupled with his blatant lying is compounded by social media executives’ inadequate handling of the situation. Facebook and its irresponsible CEO, Mark Zuckerberg, refused to directly challenge the president, even while receiving credit from some observers for reminding voters that “final results” may take days. They did not call Trump’s statement a lie or take strong steps to counter it. Twitter went far enough to say that the president’s message might be “misleading”, but it too failed to take a strong and definitive stand on a statement that is not just possibly, but indisputably, incorrect.

Surprisingly, Fox News might be the media outlet that holds the country together. The network called Arizona for Joe Biden around the same time as the Associated Press and has insisted on reporting real numbers, with its reputable non-partisan news anchors leading the coverage. Ultimately, a large number of Trump voters might turn to Fox to decide whether to trust official results or their president, who has told them that those disputing his victory are committing fraud. If Fox continues to say that any early declaration of victory is incorrect, viewers might be more likely to have the patience required to wait for what might be days, with twists and turns as more ballots are reported, until a winner is declared.

Still, it is not only the media outlet that should be tasked with maintaining the public’s confidence in our electoral machinery. Part of Trump’s pattern of deception to his base involves invoking bizarre and completely erroneous legal claims. On Tuesday night, Trump promised to take up his concerns about ongoing ballot counting to the US supreme court. However, if ballots are received on or before election day, there is no serious legal claim to support Trump’s seeming contention that any ongoing ballot counting after the election is fraudulent. Indeed, in a decision the president disparaged on Twitter, the US supreme court refused to undo the Pennsylvania supreme court’s decision that even ballots that arrived three days after election day would count as long as they were postmarked by election day.

I cannot overstate the danger of this moment. Right now, it is essential that Republican members of Congress and the vice-president make it clear that the ballots need to be counted. Both candidates and parties should be modeling respect for our democratic process, patiently waiting for the legitimate results, and encouraging all Americans to do the same. Instead, Trump’s claims risk sowing violence, confusion and an erosion of faith in the bedrock principles of American democracy.

Amid this chaos, what is left for us to do? Americans who believe that every person’s ballot should count in an election must insist on truth and spread this message as widely as possible on social media, at our dinner tables and, if need be, through peaceful demonstrations. That is the only way to counteract Trump’s lies and his threat of upending our democracy.


Even if Biden does win and the results are accepted, we will have lived through a moment that showed our democracy is less stable than we assumed. Strengthening it and reinforcing its protections must be a priority of a Biden presidency.

 

Dutch Oven

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Trump is a strangely instinctual animal. He has a track record of being right about things before he has proper proof. There were definitely some unusual doings in these battleground states. Trump is right to require that they be cleared up, both factually, and with the help of the courts if need be.

Regardless of the ultimate result.

Not every person's ballot is counted. Every person's lawfully submitted ballot is counted.

I'm sure Biden's contribution to strengthening Democracy will be "We won. Now what's for dinner in the cafeteria tonight?"
 

Fun For All

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Trump is a strangely instinctual animal. He has a track record of being right about things before he has proper proof. There were definitely some unusual doings in these battleground states. Trump is right to require that they be cleared up, both factually, and with the help of the courts if need be.

Regardless of the ultimate result.

Not every person's ballot is counted. Every person's lawfully submitted ballot is counted.

I'm sure Biden's contribution to strengthening Democracy will be "We won. Now what's for dinner in the cafeteria tonight?"
C'mon...the campaign is over.
 
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In Winconsin the vote is:

Biden Democracy = 1,630,396
Trump/Putin Dick Tatorship = 1,609,879

That means if 10,259 people switched their vote from Biden to Trump it would be:

1,620,137 = Biden
1,620,138 = Trump

Therefore Trump would win.

Literally 10,259 people decided this election ... I kid you not.

( It's also the same situation in Canada with Prime Minister Jagmeet and Deputy PM Yves. ) Hmmm ???
 

Dutch Oven

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C'mon...the campaign is over.
Do you think it's strange that a batch of votes as large as 100,000 could all be for one candidate? I think it defies the laws of probability. I'd like to hear from voting officials about that one.

What about a turnout of 89% of active registered voters in Wisconsin? Does that seem a bit high to you?
 

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I'm sure Biden's contribution to strengthening Democracy will be "We won. Now what's for dinner in the cafeteria tonight?"
As long as Trump's contribution to strengthening Democracy will be "We lost. Now what's for dinner in the jail tonight?" I am happy.
 
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In Winconsin the vote is:

Biden Democracy = 1,630,396
Trump/Putin Dick Tatorship = 1,609,879

That means if 10,259 people switched their vote from Biden to Trump it would be:

1,620,137 = Biden
1,620,138 = Trump

Therefore Trump would win.

Literally 10,259 people decided this election ... I kid you not.

( It's also the same situation in Canada with Prime Minister Jagmeet and Deputy PM Yves. ) Hmmm ???
Same as 2016, only it went the for Trump last time.
20,000 votes difference.
 
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Insidious Von

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What it came down to in Wisconsin: Fincantieri vs FoxCon.

Fincantieri took partial ownership of the Marinette Marine Shipyard north of Green Bay, that's where the new generation of American's naval frigates are currently being built. Former Secretary of Defense for Bush and Obama, negotiated the deal, Fincantieri won the bid.

The Republicans countered with Foxcon but the deal was scuttled by the Chinese when Trump started the trade war, Covid 19 killed it altogether.

Correction: Fincantieri has rebuilt a derelict port on the peninsula side of the Bay of Green Bay in Sturgeon Bay. The town was going ghost, now it's booming. They are the EU's flagship company in shipbuilding and port development. Their offices are located in Marinette.

 
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When will they stop allowing candidates to post on social networks at least 5 days before results are final. The crazy false shit Trump is dumping on twitter... Should not be allowed.
 

kherg007

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Hers how you measure bias. Trump won by 77k votes across PA, WI, and MI. And lost popular vote by 3m votes. Repubs acted like they won in a landslide and talked about an amazing victory thw greatest of asll time.
Compare it to:
Biden will win by roughly the same margin, but will win popular by 3.5m. He will be described as eeking it out, demands he compromise, demands he has no mandate given how close it was.
 

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Hers how you measure bias. Trump won by 77k votes across PA, WI, and MI. And lost popular vote by 3m votes. Repubs acted like they won in a landslide and talked about an amazing victory thw greatest of asll time.
Compare it to:
Biden will win by roughly the same margin, but will win popular by 3.5m. He will be described as eeking it out, demands he compromise, demands he has no mandate given how close it was.
If they don't win the senate they will have to eek everything out of Moscow Mitch.
 

Dutch Oven

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Yea it was uncanny how he just knew that drinking bleach would prevent getting infected.
If you really believe that's what Trump said, I pity you. If you're just trolling, why bother if Biden has this election in the bag and Trump's complaints will go nowhere?
 

Insidious Von

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Big shock, Biden could actually win Georgia.

Three Counties around Fulton (Atlanta) have gone Blue as well, if the other three Counties in the perimeter (still counting) go blue then Biden takes it. Biden has also taken Richmond County (Augusta) as well as Tagliaferro (steel smelting) and Hancock County, Two other Counties in the perimeter appear to be going blue. The bizarre part, poverty stricken South Georgia is solid red.

 

WyattEarp

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Hers how you measure bias. Trump won by 77k votes across PA, WI, and MI. And lost popular vote by 3m]time.
Compare it to:
Biden will win by roughly the same margin, but will win popular by 3.5m. He will be described as eeking it out, demands he compromise, demands he has no mandate given how close it was.
50% and change is not a large mandate. Biden will faced a very motivated Republican base and we know how midterms go for American Presidents. Valcazar do want to explain it to kherg?

I tend to agree with Trump. He runs his races to win the most electoral votes. It's been that way forever and two centuries. If the rules were different, Trump and the Republicans would have said "hey, let's pay-off the huge debt and unfunded pension liabilities racked up by Democratic states like Illinois, California, New York and New York to buy the love of teachers and govt. employees.

The Republicans wouldn't win those states by doing that, but I bet they would gain a lot more popular support. Democracy is ugly and yes it can be cynical, but it is the best system compared to the alternatives.
 

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Big shock, Biden could actually win Georgia.

Three Counties around Fulton (Atlanta) have gone Blue as well, if the other three Counties in the perimeter (still counting) go blue then Biden takes it. Biden has also taken Richmond County (Augusta) as well as Tagliaferro (steel smelting) and Hancock County, Two other Counties in the perimeter appear to be going blue. The bizarre part, poverty stricken South Georgia is solid red.
Four states left and Biden/Trump have a shot at all four...yikes
 

Insidious Von

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Trump is nuts, he wants vote counting in Michigan to stop, the polls have closed. As punishment, Trump should nuke Traverse City...I'm saying that only in partial jest. :cry:
 
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