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Does antimatter fall up or down?

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ALPHA: Novel investigation of gravity and antimatter

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The ALPHA collaboration at CERN today published a paper in Nature Communications describing the first direct analysis of how antimatter is affected by gravity.

ALPHA was the first experiment to trap atoms of antihydrogen — neutral antimatter atoms held in place with a strong magnetic field for up to 1000 seconds. The original goal of the experiment was not to study gravity, but the researchers realised that the data they had already collected might be sensitive to gravitational effects.

“The ALPHA apparatus can trap antihydrogen atoms, which we then intentionally release,” says ALPHA spokesperson Jeffrey Hangst of Aarhus University in Denmark. “We used our position-sensitive annihilation detector to see if we could observe the influence of gravity on the released atoms.”

Current theoretical arguments predict that hydrogen and antihydrogen atoms have the same mass and should interact with gravity in the same way. If an atom is released, it should experience a downward force whether it’s made of matter or antimatter. The ALPHA physicists have retroactively analysed how their antihydrogen atoms moved when released; this has allowed them to put a limit on anomalous gravitational effects.

“This is the first demonstrated experimental method to directly address the question of the gravitational nature of antimatter, and we look forward to refining it when we start up again in 2014. With more data, and perhaps atoms with even less thermal motion to compete with gravity, we hope to be able to test whether antimatter actually falls down,” says Hangst.

“In the unlikely event that antimatter falls upwards, we would have to revise our view of the way the universe works,” says Joel Fajans, a member ALPHA at the University of California, Berkeley. “We’ve taken the first steps toward a direct experimental test of questions that physicists and non-physicists have been wondering about for more than 50 years.”

The experiment will come back on line in 2014 with an upgraded antimatter trap called ALPHA-2. Along with the advancement of ALPHA, the antimatter programme at CERN is expanding. AEGIS and GBAR, two more experiments currently under construction, will focus on measuring how gravity affects antihydrogen.

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The 'God' particle - the Higgs boson is the particle that gives rise to mass - a weak force that collectively becomes significant with large bodies of matter. It was only found recently. How do we know that an opposite (spin/whatever) Higgs boson particle exist for anti-matter? There is instant annihilation whenever ant-mater has been made but in that case the effect of an opposite Higgs boson particle is too weak. If there was an area with sufficient mass - maybe it would repel itself (fall up) into collective pockets that would move away from matter and annihilation. Maybe this same effect would explain dark matter and why it doesn't exist near us.

Well ... the neat thing about shooting these theories out of my ass is that it's hard to prove one way or another.
 

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The 'God' particle - the Higgs boson is the particle that gives rise to mass - a weak force that collectively becomes significant with large bodies of matter. It was only found recently. How do we know that an opposite (spin/whatever) Higgs boson particle exist for anti-matter? There is instant annihilation whenever ant-mater has been made but in that case the effect of an opposite Higgs boson particle is too weak. If there was an area with sufficient mass - maybe it would repel itself (fall up) into collective pockets that would move away from matter and annihilation. Maybe this same effect would explain dark matter and why it doesn't exist near us.

Well ... the neat thing about shooting these theories out of my ass is that it's hard to prove one way or another.
Neat, but exactly which way is up in outer space?
 

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i am certainly no physicist, but from what i can gather, matter's tendency to 'fall' is not because it is matter, it is because of gravity.
so antimatter should be affected by gravity in the same fashion.
matter (or antimatter) 'falling' up i guess would be a result of an antiGRAVITY phenomenon.
 

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i am certainly no physicist, but from what i can gather, matter's tendency to 'fall' is not because it is matter, it is because of gravity.
so antimatter should be affected by gravity in the same fashion.
matter (or antimatter) 'falling' up i guess would be a result of an antiGRAVITY phenomenon.
Actually gravity is the 'pull' between two masses - you will not have the effect of gravity without mass (matter). If gravity was looked at as two magnets attracted to each other - we might surmise that all magnets perform the same but if we reverse the polarity of the magnet - we have the same mass but as you know as you bring to similar poles together - the force is opposite and instead of the two magnets drawing together - they are headed the opposite way.

Who knows - maybe antimatter has the same type of gravity force but the opposite polarity.
 

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Who knows - maybe antimatter has the same type of gravity force but the opposite polarity.
That's been long postulated but until we are able to examine the behavior of large number of anti-matter particles...


I'm only a lowly engineer but I've been reading lately about virtual particles, Pauli's Exclusion principles, Feynman diagrams, and the like. Some pretty neat stuff if you don't mind a few headaches. Definitely a different take thinking of things like gravity being caused by an exchange of particles, not just as an attractive force.
 

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I'm only a lowly engineer but I've been reading lately about virtual particles, Pauli's Exclusion principles, Feynman diagrams, and the like. .
You should be our designated Terb scientist. I can only vaguely conceptualize these kind of topics when they are illustrated on PBS with fruits for sizes, modes of transport for speed and cartoon characters for the resulting explosions.
 

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That's been long postulated but until we are able to examine the behavior of large number of anti-matter particles...


I'm only a lowly engineer but I've been reading lately about virtual particles, Pauli's Exclusion principles, Feynman diagrams, and the like. Some pretty neat stuff if you don't mind a few headaches. Definitely a different take thinking of things like gravity being caused by an exchange of particles, not just as an attractive force.


the idea that there are particles (gravitons) that cause gravity was discluded when einstein declared that mass bends space and causes a " gravity well" that other mass falls into


we are in the suns gravity well and the moon is in ours


bend space enough and the sides of the well will touch allowing one to travel from one side of the well to the other without travelling the space in between


star trek warp drive is the compressing of space in front of the vehicle and expanding space behind the vehicle

the vehicle does not travel faster than light but the space around the vehicle does


where they get the mass/energy to manipulate space is unanswered as it would take the mass/energy of several suns to do this
 

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the idea that there are particles (gravitons) that cause gravity was discluded when einstein declared that mass bends space and causes a " gravity well" that other mass falls into
Good to know that people are interested in stuff like this! But as an ex-theoretical physicist in need of erecting his intellectual penis and cockslap people with it. I'd like to say that the above sentence made me lol.

1. Einstein's theory of gravity (general relativity) was formulated in the 1910-20s. The first quantum field theory that describes forces in atomic scales (quantum electrodynamics) was formulated in the 1930-40s.

2. Einstein's theory does not invalidate gravitons.
 

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Good to know that people are interested in stuff like this! But as an ex-theoretical physicist in need of erecting his intellectual penis and cockslap people with it. I'd like to say that the above sentence made me lol.

1. Einstein's theory of gravity (general relativity) was formulated in the 1910-20s. The first quantum field theory that describes forces in atomic scales (quantum electrodynamics) was formulated in the 1930-40s.

2. Einstein's theory does not invalidate gravitons.
i thought a cock slap would hurt more than that

it makes little sense that invisible particles of no mass (how can something have no mass?) travel instantaneously throughout the universe attaching all mass to all mass

einstein saw this absurdity and developed relativity to explain gravity. He did not empirically disprove the possibility of gravitons as one cannot prove a negative (IE something does not exist. You can only prove something does exist)

space warping was proven when they measured the light bending to the mass of the sun during an eclipse (when such bending became visible)

gravitons on the other hand are theorectical


I worked with Richard Feynman on his graphing techniques searching for such particles while working on my thesis at Fermilab near Chicago


BTW Feynman was quite the TERB

he always said the best part of his Nobel Prize was the doors it opened (some of them were bedroom doors)


 
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Good to know that people are interested in stuff like this! But as an ex-theoretical physicist in need of erecting his intellectual penis and cockslap people with it. I'd like to say that the above sentence made me lol.

1. Einstein's theory of gravity (general relativity) was formulated in the 1910-20s. The first quantum field theory that describes forces in atomic scales (quantum electrodynamics) was formulated in the 1930-40s.

2. Einstein's theory does not invalidate gravitons.
Rule number 1 of terb science club - don't argue with yoga.
 

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the idea that there are particles (gravitons) that cause gravity was discluded when einstein declared that mass bends space and causes a " gravity well" that other mass falls into


we are in the suns gravity well and the moon is in ours


bend space enough and the sides of the well will touch allowing one to travel from one side of the well to the other without travelling the space in between


star trek warp drive is the compressing of space in front of the vehicle and expanding space behind the vehicle

the vehicle does not travel faster than light but the space around the vehicle does


where they get the mass/energy to manipulate space is unanswered as it would take the mass/energy of several suns to do this
Dilithium Crystals man, quit wasting all of your time studying actual science when all the answers are on TV....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilithium_(Star_Trek)
 

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Rule number 1 of terb science club - don't argue with yoga.
nonsense

that is rule number two

i will argue an issue to the best of my ability then gracefully and gratefully concede when such concession is required by sound debate

this is how you learn is it not? re articulating what you think the other person said then adding more info until concession is established ?


i have spent many relaxing hours with Feynman, Hawkings, john wheeler etc discussing such ideas
 
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