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Disturbing video of cruel experiment done on kittens

If this stuff bothers you, consider supporting PETA or the SPCA. Organizations like PETA are often condemned as being filled with crackpot radicals, but if you read their stuff, it relay isn't the case. They accept that people eat meat, but want producers to practice humane killing methods etc. What they strongly oppose s animal research and the fur industry.

There are very few legitimate excuses for animal research anymore. I find it especially bothersome when the research is for something frivolous like cosmetics. My knowledge of cat anatomy is pretty rusty, but I don't think you would learn much about human hearing loss by experimenting on a cat. Why not expriment on a pedophile of something? At least the knowlege gained would be applicable!

www.peta.org

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Terminator2000

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Stoo said:
If this stuff bothers you, consider supporting PETA or the SPCA. Organizations like PETA are often condemned as being filled with crackpot radicals, but if you read their stuff, it relay isn't the case. They accept that people eat meat, but want producers to practice humane killing methods etc. What they strongly oppose s animal research and the fur industry.

There are very few legitimate excuses for animal research anymore. I find it especially bothersome when the research is for something frivolous like cosmetics. My knowledge of cat anatomy is pretty rusty, but I don't think you would learn much about human hearing loss by experimenting on a cat. Why not expriment on a pedophile of something? At least the knowlege gained would be applicable!

www.peta.org

www.spca.com
Well said. If only there were more people in the world like Stoo.

Its really surprising and amazing, well at least for me, I'm always amazed that people can condone this kind of behavior without any remorse or guilt whatsoever.
 

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The video is from 10 years ago

There was a recent article (March 20, 2006) in Maclean's about animal rights extremism that mentions this case.
Bolding is my emphasis.

http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20060320_123521_123521

'Ed Walsh says all he wanted was to help people. In 1995, he was head of the developmental auditory physiology lab at the Boys Town National Research Hospital in Omaha, Neb. When he and his wife, scientist JoAnn McGee, got a grant from the National Institutes of Health to research the cochlear duct of the inner ear, they hoped to be able to help the deaf. Their studies using cats had proved successful and set the stage for further research into diagnostics and treatment. Both were animal lovers and advocates for animal welfare practices in labs. They had no idea undercover agents from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals were targeting them. When PETA released edited video footage of kittens in their lab, coming out of anaesthesia, and filed what turned out to be a bogus complaint with the U.S. Department of Agriculture that they were violating the Animal Welfare Act, the couple's world came crashing in.

Animal-rights groups harassed their family mercilessly. Their home and offices were picketed and they received hundreds of phone calls and letters. One letter went so far as to send a death threat in the form of false condolences for their son, then five years old. "So sorry to hear about the tragic death of your son. At least now he's in God's good hands, with all the beautiful kittens from the living hell you both created at Boys Town."'
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'As for Ed Walsh, he was exonerated of any wrongdoing, aside from some minor bookkeeping errors. But the cost to his work and the hospital was grave. "It was our hope to contribute fundamentally to solving the congenital deafness problem in children around the world," he sighs. "We will never know where the work might have gone."'
 

wikiwild

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I'd honestly rather cure deaf people. Kittens are cute, but hundreds of thousands are euthanized every year, this is probably a better use of their life than killing them.

Sounds callous, but if I were to choose between people and cats, I choose people.

That said, someone needs to work very hard on alternative research methods.

Btw... if you don't like the cat video but are ok with eating turkey sandwiches, you may be a hypocrite:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mkgz2iuMpw

What disability was being helped there? Poultry Deficiency?
 

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wikiwild said:
Btw... if you don't like the cat video but are ok with eating turkey sandwiches, you may be a hypocrite:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mkgz2iuMpw

What disability was being helped there? Poultry Deficiency?

Wow, that is very disturbing. To think that many Americans, oblivious to what these turkeys went through, have blissfully enjoyed their Thanksgiving dinners.... I really may become a vegetarian... :(
 

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stinkynuts said:
Wow, that is very disturbing. To think that many Americans, oblivious to what these turkeys went through, have blissfully enjoyed their Thanksgiving dinners.... I really may become a vegetarian... :(
ya... unfortunately life does not allow for absolute morality. Sometimes what seems wrong is necessary, it takes balls to make the call.
 

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I didn't watch the clip, but I can imagine what it is all about. However, don't be too hasty in supporting PETA. Those guys actually kill animals themselves...what's the E stand for again? The top guys at PETA are actually on the record as saying they value animal life more than human life.

I would personally drown every kitten on the face of the earth if it result in a cure for AIDS, or hearing loss, or the common cold, or just about any significant human health problem.
 

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gdurham said:
I didn't watch the clip, but I can imagine what it is all about. However, don't be too hasty in supporting PETA. Those guys actually kill animals themselves...what's the E stand for again? The top guys at PETA are actually on the record as saying they value animal life more than human life.

I would personally drown every kitten on the face of the earth if it result in a cure for AIDS, or hearing loss, or the common cold, or just about any significant human health problem.

Wow. Really? The common cold, eh? It's attitudes like yours, of self-importance, that lead to these acts.

Just because we humans are able to dominate other animals doesn't mean we should. Animals have feeling too, you know?
 

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without animal expierimentation oh, about 95% of medical research and advancement would stop. think about all the great advancements in medicine that would not have happened abscent this.

and that animals have feelings too rhetoric your giving me...get a grip bro. I am probably the farthest thing from a vegan you can possibly get.
 

Terminator2000

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The cure for hearing loss?

They're already working on the cure for blindness..

Would be nice to have the cure for hearing loss.

Can't they just experiment in goldfish? 3 second memory sobs.
 

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I couldn't watch the whole clip either.

Terminator2000 said:
Can't they just experiment in goldfish? 3 second memory sobs.
Fwiw Mythbusters tested the 3 memory thing and

Jamie trained his goldfish to recognize color patterns and complete an obstacle course under water. They remembered what Jamie had taught them over a month later and easily completed the same course without Jamie's prompting.
 

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wow, some of you need to get your priorities set straight!

if you really think that it is okay to torture innocent little animals in the name of medicine, that it is okay as long as it furthers our own human cause, then do me one small favour...

come over right now to my place, let me slice open your head, sever your nerves and see how you like it. oh yeah, all in the name of medical advancement for generations to come of course!

on no levels whatsoever, is this right.

Plyrs99
 

stinkynuts

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plyrs99 said:
wow, some of you need to get your priorities set straight!

if you really think that it is okay to torture innocent little animals in the name of medicine, that it is okay as long as it furthers our own human cause, then do me one small favour...

come over right now to my place, let me slice open your head, sever your nerves and see how you like it. oh yeah, all in the name of medical advancement for generations to come of course!

on no levels whatsoever, is this right.

Plyrs99
Absolutely right, bro.
 

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I agree! this video was sickening and i couldn't watch it all either. it is sad that anyone could put a helpless animal through this!
 

wikiwild

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plyrs99 said:
wow, some of you need to get your priorities set straight!

if you really think that it is okay to torture innocent little animals in the name of medicine, that it is okay as long as it furthers our own human cause, then do me one small favour...

come over right now to my place, let me slice open your head, sever your nerves and see how you like it. oh yeah, all in the name of medical advancement for generations to come of course!

on no levels whatsoever, is this right.

Plyrs99

Your sentiment is touching, but your last statement is obviously wrong and naive.

If a person was to be given a choice between their mother living and a kitten free from torture, you imply that choosing a torture-free kitten would be the morally correct act. This is obviously untrue.

Therefore, its reasonable to say that there are SOME situations in which torturing a kitten is warranted. Some more hypotheticals, suppose torturing a kitten has a 100% probability of:

1. Preventing a nuclear war?
2. Preventing a child being raped
3. Curing an infant of a devastating and painful disease.

These are of course really improbable, but illustrate a point.

One must be careful to realize that most of the time, the choices are NOT one OR the other as the examples suggest. As I said before, methods other than animal testing need to be developed and prioritized over animal-testing, so that we can have the best of both worlds. Nobody wants to torture a kitten.

But to say that it is NEVER permissable to do so is kind of head-in-the-sand of you.
 

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you are kidding, right?

plyrs99 said:
come over right now to my place, let me slice open your head, sever your nerves and see how you like it. oh yeah, all in the name of medical advancement for generations to come of course!
Plyrs99
if you think human and animal life is equal, then I think it is you who need to get priorities straight.
 
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