Deportation of Portugeese Construction Workers

[Fred Zed]

Shouldn't the Harper govt's priorities be to remove those who have:
- overstayed their welcome
-have a criminal record
-are unemployed or unemployable

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060326/deportations_060326/20060326?hub=Canada

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe.../immigration_crackdown_060326?s_name=&no_ads=

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ageid=968332188492&col=968793972154&t=TS_Home

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ageid=968332188492&col=968793972154&t=TS_Home

http://torontosun.com/News/TorontoAndGTA/2006/03/27/1507380-sun.html

 

[Keebler Elf]

I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for someone who is here illegally.

 

[Fred Zed]

I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for someone who is here illegally.

Many people who have successfully immigrated to Canada were actually illegal at one point or other, in the case of the Portugeese construction workers the Liberal gvt. was planning on granting them an amnesty. I think Harper is trying to prove he is tough on the immigration issue, but he is picking on a hardworking group of people who are actually contributing to the Canadian economy.

 

[Malibook]

It's sad but the simple reality is that people who come here for a holiday don't have the right to decide they will just stay forever.

Allowing illegals to stay would make a mockery of the system and be a slap in the face to the numerous people who go through the proper procedures and channels.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.html

 

[Fred Zed]

It's sad but the simple reality is that people who come here for a holiday don't have the right to decide they will just stay forever.

Allowing illegals to stay would make a mockery of the system and be a slap in the face to the numerous people who go through the proper procedures and channels.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.html

In that case then let's start by removing the bad guys. Isn't it true that part of the reason the Portugeese construction workers were rounded up is because they were easier to find ? Whereas the bad guys are hiding somewhere and immigration have no clue how to find them and deport them.

 

[Esco!]

In that case then let's start by removing the bad guys. Isn't it true that part of the reason the Portugeese construction workers were rounded up is because they were easier to find ? Whereas the bad guys are hiding somewhere and immigration have no clue how to find them and deport them.

Fred, you are being completely unfair!!!!!

You're saying lets not deport the illegals because
of the illegals!!??????

Anywho, the Portuguese are some of the most fervent workers
in the world, dammit!!!

So whats your point. Fred????

 

[fuji]

Our whole immigration system is a joke, the ministry is a laughing stalk. We have a system that is designed to keep honest people out and let liars and cheats in, and surprise surprise, it turns honest people into liars and cheats.

We have legions upon legions of fraudulent refugees, fake marriages, and other scams to get people into the country, or people who just show up as students/tourists and go black. Mostly they are hardworking people who contribute to society, who are inherently honest people, but we made them lie and cheat because that is the only way to get into Canada.

Until we have an immigration system that is not such an outrageous joke, I don't fault anyone for cheating it.

 

[Uzo]

all these people that are being deported...

were they only from one ethnic group?

why are they surprised they are being sent back when the were here illegally?

I heard on a news report that they were mainly paid cash in the constructions business...did the pay taxes? Use the healthcare system?

 

[The Bandit]

Yes they were working and contributing(maybe not tax wise), but they overstayed their visas and were here illegally. If they can prove they have a job to come back to, and go through the proper channels then they can return.
The illegals who piss me off are the ones that come into the country with no documents, and the government gives them Welfare and a place to stay.

 

[Fred Zed]

all these people that are being deported...

were they only from one ethnic group?

why are they surprised they are being sent back when the were here illegally?

I heard on a news report that they were mainly paid cash in the constructions business...did the pay taxes? Use the healthcare system?

I think many of them had filed refugee claims at some point.
Which would allow them to apply for OHIP and be issued a SIN #.
If anyone owes taxes I am sure CCRA are quite capable of collecting what is owed.

 

[Svend]

Portugese refugees? From what?
They are here for economic reasons and should get in line.

However, I agree they should go harder after the criminals here illegally.

 

[Fred Zed]

Portugese refugees? From what?

Wrong advice from greedy Paralegals, I guess.

Why were they not allowed to stay on humanitarian grounds ?

Solberg said he believes it is important to uphold the current immigration laws, but to also show compassion towards illegal immigrants who seek to stay in Canada on humanitarian grounds.

 

[Uzo]

I agree that all should go thru the proper channels to get into this country. If there is a shortage of workers now because of all the contructions workers that are gone, I'm sure others are around to fill that void. They should go after the criminal and illegals and I'm sure they do but that does not always make the news does it? How many people get deported from this country on a daily basis? We only see a small percentage of them on TV.

 

[WhaWhaWha]

A lot of Canadians are entitled and want to work in Canada (immigrants or Cdn-born doesn't matter) but are on welfare. And these guys come from Portugal and find jobs. How does that happen? Canadian employers complain that there is a shortage of qualified workers. I say they are just too lazy to go through channels to connect to other Canadians who want to work. Or they are hoping to circumvent fair labor practices by exploiting illegals.

 

[my2cents]

work visa amnesty

I know there was talk about an amnesty for illegal immigrants but perhaps in this case it might have been better to offer a temporary work visa amnesty. The government could have allowed a defined time visa to work ie: 6 months or something that way a transition time would happen. The illegal immigrants would know that when there visa expired that would be the date they have to go so they could prepare ahead of time.
The comapnies who employ them would know they have to prepare for the specific date of these peoples departure. They would also have to post a bond, which they would loose should the illegal immigrant decide to over stay their visa. The illegal immigrants would have to pay taxes etc. during that time. This could also be a one time amnesty for work visas for a specific period of time. Of course once the visa runs out, thats it they would have to go. However the fact that they worked in Canada and had a clean record during their work visa should be a bonus if they apply for immigration from outside Canada.

 

[The Bandit]

A lot of Canadians are entitled and want to work in Canada (immigrants or Cdn-born doesn't matter) but are on welfare. And these guys come from Portugal and find jobs. How does that happen? Canadian employers complain that there is a shortage of qualified workers. I say they are just too lazy to go through channels to connect to other Canadians who want to work. Or they are hoping to circumvent fair labor practices by exploiting illegals.

No, alot of the people on welfare DON'T WANT TO WORK! They see how easy it is to stay home and the money still comes in. It goes from generation to generation. If they wanted to work they could go out there and pound the pavement and find something...so "no jobs out there" is a crock of sh*t.
There's a big difference between Welfare and U.I.C.(or whatever it's called today). U.I.C. is for people between jobs, welfare is for people who don't want to work.

 

[fuji]

I agree that all should go thru the proper channels to get into this country.

Maybe you aren't aware of this, but the proper channels to get into Canada are an outrageous joke. The "read between the lines" story is that these people would VERY MUCH like to have come here via proper channels, but the proper channels are a joke where mostly liars/fraudsters get through.

You want to see what the "proper channels" have done to this country? Check out all the doctors and lawyers driving taxi cabs. Check out all the immigrant engineers working behind the counter at Coffee Time. Check out all the "falun gong" from China, who never heard of falun gong before until they heard you could get refugee status in Canada if you said you were one. Check out the marriage brokers who hook up fake marriages for $10-20k/pop.

What's really sad is check out the people doing this stuff, they are NOT criminals or unskilled people or people who wouldn't contribute to Canada--they are ordinary folks who realize (correctly) that it's pathetic and stupid to try and apply to immigrate to Canada the "proper" way, unless you are a doctor who likes to drive a taxi cab, or an engineer who likes to flip burgers. You only get in if your occupation is listed on the special magic CIC A-list, but Canadian companies won't hire you anyway--and often aren't even allowed to. We don't have any way for someone without a university degree to get into Canada, but that is the sort of jobs we want immigrants to take...

We need people like construction workers, etc., but we don't give them any "proper" way to come in. The govt. plays the "skilled worker" mantra and says we need the 'best and the brightest' but that is a lie--we HAVE the best and the brightest graduating from our own schools (and we don't accept the best and the brightest anywhere--"canadian experience", etc.), what we need are guys to work construction jobs.

 

[havingfun]

Wait there will be more ... to prove our government is being run by power-tripping punks.

 

[tboy]

Ok well, the reason doctors and engineers etc drive cabs is because their licence isn't recognized here THANK GOD. If they want to practise here they have to get accredation and to do that they have to a) attend school and b) pass the exams. If they can't pass the exams THEY SHOULDN'T PRACTISE HERE!!!

Just because someone was able to practise medicine in some far off island regime doesn't mean they meet OUR standards....I bet if we let them practise here, and someone died as a result, everyone would be blaming the goverment for letting them practise....

I agree, it is a shame that people who want to work, are being deported but hey, no matter what, they are here illegally, EOS. Sure, our government lets in and lets stay murderers, rapists, gang bangers and known drug dealers. Let's hope they go after them next....

As for this group, since they were here illegally I highly doubt they paid any income taxes and I bet dollars to donuts the only taxes they paid were property taxes on their homes (if they owned that is) I will also bet that the majority rented therefore they paid NO taxes whatsoever yet their kids went to school here.....

I don't know what the big deal is with immigration, I'd like to hear first hand from someone who has tried and failed to come here legally. I grew up with many who immigrated to Canada legally and have met many in the past couple of years who have done the same, WITHOUT having to declare refugee status.....

 

[goodtime]

Ok well, the reason doctors and engineers etc drive cabs is because their licence isn't recognized here THANK GOD. If they want to practise here they have to get accredation and to do that they have to a) attend school and b) pass the exams. If they can't pass the exams THEY SHOULDN'T PRACTISE HERE!!!

Meanwhile, Emerg waiting roomrs are nuts. Ever been to Emerg in last 3 years? Afterhours, forget about it. Few GTA hospitals emerg are operating with 1 docs and Med students at times. Tell me that isn't putting lives at risk.

The overworked Docs are making mistakes, so are the Pham, Hosp. technicans. You don't hear about it as Malpractice sue are not common in Canada and Hosp. insurance usually settles.

Up North, nearest Doc are more than 3 hrs away.

True, if overseas Doc fail. Should not practices but unfortunately, many don't get tested without 'Canadian experience'. Know a few expert Med folks, mopping floors or cleaners. If only Canada gives them a chance to be tested.

If country fast-track workers for the demanding areas. There would be fewer illegals. Who wants to constant take risks, worry about getting caught?

How many are willing to live in cold Calgary? They have to import workers from Mexico as short-order cook, busboy, drywaller.
There's not enough housing near Fort McMurray, guess what the price of labour goes up, in turn cost of oil exploration are up, so we all pay, eventually as others put it.

Not everyone wants to be illegal. Many just wants a break.