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Craigslist Used For Busts in NY

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By RICHARD LIEBSON THE JOURNAL NEWS (Original publication: February 1, 2005)

WHITE PLAINS, NY. People use the Craigslist online bulletin board to find jobs, apartments, roommates, dogs and even true love. White Plains police say the list also offers sex for sale. In the past month, police said, they arrested 20 high-priced New York City call girls and pimps after responding to postings on the popular Web site, www.craigslist.org.

Since late December, city detectives have been answering ads with such headings as "Teacher Seeking Pupils," "Wild Girl Next Door" and some even more explicit. Once contact is made, "services" are described, a price is negotiated and meetings at local hotels and motels arranged. In many cases, a woman shows up within an hour, sometimes with a driver. Thus far, 12 women have been arrested on misdemeanor prostitution charges,and one woman and seven men have been charged with promoting prostitution, also a misdemeanor. "It's the Internet. It's an open market where you can get literally anything," said Capt. Nick Kralik, commander of the Detective Division. "We received information that this bulletin board was being used for prostitution, so we decided to check it out. "It was something different, something we hadn't done before. There are no Internet police, but we decided that if people were so bold that they were advertising prostitution openly on the Web, we were going to go after them."

Jim Buckmaster, chief executive officer of Craigslist.org, said many of the types of postings the police have been responding to were put up by escort services, which he noted were not illegal. "A perfectly legal ad can turn out to be a front for something that's illegal," he said. "If those ads are pointed out to us we would certainly pull them. This is not a new problem. You can find ads for these kinds of things in newspapers and even the yellow pages."

In an e-mail to The Journal News, Buckmaster added: "As noted in our terms of use, Craigslist expressly prohibits postings that constitute illegal activity." Detective Sgt. Wade Hardy said many of the ads feature photographs of nude or partially nude women and use code words to describe what they offered. "They ask for 'donations' or say that, when you contact them, they'll want '250 reasons' for meeting with you for a half-hour or an hour," he said. "They'll list a telephone number." Frequently, Kralik said, when a detective called the number, the man or woman on the other end would ask for personal information to try to verify who was calling. More often than not, he said, the person would call the hotel or motel to make sure the caller was registered there, then call back to confirm the meeting. Local hotels and motels have cooperated during the investigation, Kralik said.

When the woman arrives, a police officer is waiting in the room and arrests her after she asks for money. "They take the money, knowing it's for sex, and that's when we arrest them," Hardy said. If the woman was driven to the hotel by someone else, that person is arrested by other undercover officers staked out nearby. "They don't act surprised or get really upset when they realize we're cops," Hardy said. "To them, it's just part of doing business." An 18-year police veteran, Hardy said that while he's seen a few prostitution arrests in White Plains, "I've never seen so many in such a short period of time." Kralik said he thought the sting had had an effect. Most of the women are released on $250 or more bail after being tested for sexually transmitted diseases at the Westchester County jail, in accordance with state health law.

In a few cases, he said, detectives noticed new posts on the Web site a day or so after one of the prostitutes was released. "LADIES BEWARE, WE JUST POSTED BAIL," read one such posting. "Cops are in the motels posing as (customers) in the motels. Don't fall for the scam, unless you'd like to spend the night (in jail) until you get bailed out." Police Inspector Daniel Jackson called the sting "a great new tool." "It shows that we're being innovative, creative and proactive in combating crime," he said. "Obviously, this effort has had an impact. The message is going out, to the prostitutes themselves, to stay away from White Plains." Kralik said, "We're not Las Vegas here. We don't have a prostitution problem in White Plains, and we're trying to make sure it stays that way." He Also added, "Police throughout the United States are going to the Internet, joining groups, and busting prostitutes. This will intensify throughout the U.S. as we put the heat on those who break the law. Craiglist is only the beginning."
 

Hard Idle

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Totally shocking derelection of duty and waste of resources that even one paid hour of police time is being wasted this way. :confused:
 

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I disagree

Hard Idle said:
Totally shocking derelection of duty and waste of resources that even one paid hour of police time is being wasted this way. :confused:
This kind of enforcement would not happen in Canada because the providing sexual services is not a crime in this country. In the United States, prostitution is a crime. Consequetly, Law Enforcement in that country has an obligation to enforce this law. Doing their job does not represent a dereliction of duty. If the law is not appropriate, then it is the responsibility of the population to vote for a legislative change.

As an avid hobbyist, I clearly don't agree with restricting adult SPs from practicing their professional activities. However, I do disagree with giving LE the power to decide which laws they will enforce. Police are public servants and their obligation should be to enforce the laws that society has chosen. It is Society's obligation to remain politically active so as to ensure that the laws of the land reflect the attitudes of the population.

Many of us on this Board (including me) already believe that there are individual police officers who puttheir own personal spin on how to enforce the law. We usually complain, and rightfully so, about these individuals who enforrce their legal opinions as opposed to the actual law. This kind of Police behaviour is inappropriate whether we agree with the sentiment or not. A police officer who harrasses an innocent person is just as wrong as a police officer who declines to enforce a law. If we give the Police license to decide which laws they will enforce, we are opening the door to giving LE more power over our laws than our legislators.

Zog.
 
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KellyCompanion

....but the internet is public domain....and communication for sex for money is. Something I have thought about. Cell phones are the same issue....just no one has been busted to test the law yet. That I know of.

Kelly
 

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KellyCompanion said:
....but the internet is public domain....and communication for sex for money is. Something I have thought about. Cell phones are the same issue....just no one has been busted to test the law yet. That I know of.

Kelly
Advertising in the papers, on the web, and talking about your services on a phone, whether cell or land, is not communicating in public and therefore not illegal.

In Canada, an independant escort providing outcall services is not breaking any laws. In the US, many states prostitution is illegal. The story makes for good reading, but the police have been using newspaper ads for years to bust prostitutes, the web just adds a new wrinkle.
 
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KellyCompanion

Communication in for sex for money in public is ILLEGAL in Canda. Cell phones and the internet do challenge that if someone wants. I know prostitution is not illegal here.

Kelly
 

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KellyCompanion said:
Communication in for sex for money in public is ILLEGAL in Canda. Cell phones and the internet do challenge that if someone wants. I know prostitution is not illegal here.

Kelly
sorry, cell phones are considered private (well established) and even though the charges against the Now Magazine were dropped years ago, I doubt any court is willing to try to show that such things, including the web, are public places.

You will have no problems working as an independant outcall escort advertising wherever you want and providing as many details as you want over the phone or in emails.
 
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