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Worf

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I got a recent copyright infringement notice from my ISP. I downloaded some cheap port clip just to take a look (yes, I know....stupid of me).
Anyway, the ISP provider forwarded this copyright infringement notice, with a set fine, or if I don't pay, then it will go to a lawyer, court, etc.

Should I just grin and bear it, and just pay up?

Also, how can I download movies, etc, without leaving an internet fingerprint?
 
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just curious, who is your ISP and what city are you in?

so far I haven't received anything, knock on wood.
 
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Rogers sent me a notice for south park episodes. use a vpn (i use spotflux and hide.me)

regarding the topic, it's a scare tactic. they legally have to prove in court that it was you, and they don't set the fines. Interestingly i think paying them might work against you: I know I wouldn't mind extorting a fine, then using that payment as a argument that the customer was knowingly guilty.

might not work in court but my motto is "don't make it easier for them"
 
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OP, are you with Rogers, BELL or someone else??
 
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I am with someone else. Not one of the more commonly mentioned providers, but been with them for many years and the price and service is fairly good.

Yes, the company that handles the fine is in the US. I went to the site and saw info posted about fines, etc.
 
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I wouldnt pay it. Let them take you to court
 
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Worf said:
Yes, but $5,000 is a lot of money. What if I just paid the fine? Do you think it will go away?
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It is not a "Fine".

It is a demand letter and nothing more.

A US company buys the rights from a copyright holder to sue infringers but make 99% of their revenue from these scary lawyer letters. They could not afford to go to court on all of them and they are not going to ever try a defended case. If they lose such a case, their demand letter racket would crumble.

Not legal advice but if it were me, I'd ignore it.

If the letter threatens Credit Rating problems, I'd write back simply stating "I dispute your allegation. Until you receive a judgement, this is not a collection matter and I will bring an action against your firm for damages that result from any notation on my credit rating"

They will not litigate, and if you formally notify them that you dispute the charge, they have no right to report to the credit bureau.

IF they eve do file a lawsuit against you, you can always offer to settle then if it is less than a lawyer's retainer.

In the meantime, I'd ignore them. And I'd also stop STEALING work that other people worked to create.
 
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It is not a "Fine".

It is a demand letter and nothing more.

A US company buys the rights from a copyright holder to sue infringers but make 99% of their revenue from these scary lawyer letters. They could not afford to go to court on all of them and they are not going to ever try a defended case. If they lose such a case, their demand letter racket would crumble.

Not legal advice but if it were me, I'd ignore it.

If the letter threatens Credit Rating problems, I'd write back simply stating "I dispute your allegation. Until you receive a judgement, this is not a collection matter and I will bring an action against your firm for damages that result from any notation on my credit rating"

They will not litigate, and if you formally notify them that you dispute the charge, they have no right to report to the credit bureau.

IF they eve do file a lawsuit against you, you can always offer to settle then if it is less than a lawyer's retainer.

In the meantime, I'd ignore them. And I'd also stop STEALING work that other people worked to create.
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All great advice except for the part about writing them a letter. That US company does not know who you are. All they know is that a customer of your ISP was illegally downloading copyrighted material. Without a court order, your ISP cannot reveal your identity to the copyright holder. That US company sent a notice to your ISP and then your ISP was legally obligated to pass on the notice to you. Read this http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2014/02/copyright-troll-economics/.

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bucky88 said:
All great advice except for the part about writing them a letter. That US company does not know who you are. All they know is that a customer of your ISP was illegally downloading copyrighted material. Without a court order, your ISP cannot reveal your identity to the copyright holder.
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Great information! I wasn't aware of this.

So I'd just ignore it and not respond.

In fact, if one were to pay the demand, reference to the correspondence would then fill in and establish that connection between the IP address and the (now) unknown person connected to the IP address. Thereby opening up similar demands for everything he downloaded.

However, I bet many people getting this notice will pay anyways. Including the OP.
 
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It is a scare tactic, Had something happen like this to me years ago. Nothing ever came of it. The onus is on them to prove you are culpable. That means they have to subpoena rogers for your personal information, they have to file in court and serve you. Its a money grab and too be honest Canadian courts will lean towards the defendant. I would not worry.
 
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