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TeeJay

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This crime story is fucking hilarious and shows just how little responsibility a woman needs to have these days
Regret consenting the next night? Well file bs charges

Short version of story:
Dude looks girl up on facebook, contacts her, flirts with her, meets her and fucks her
He is guilty since during flirting stage he gave her a random name (Jay) and apparently she had a friend named Jay S. so when she consented to sex she thought he was someone else
After realizing her error she goes to police

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calg...yee-sexual-assault-allegations-text-1.4577404

A Calgary hotel employee has been convicted of sexual assault after a judge found that although the victim consented to sex, she believed she had arranged an encounter with a different man.

Although Jatinder Brar testified at his trial last month that he had consensual sex with a motel guest, the accused "had to know the complainant believed him to be someone else, " Court of Queen's Bench Justice Robert Hall said in Calgary on Wednesday.

Brar, 28, was working as a night clerk at Canada's Best Value Inn Chinook Station when he found the woman's phone number at the motel's front desk in October 2017.

During his judge-only trial, Brar testified that he looked the woman up on Facebook and was attracted to her.

The two began text messaging back and forth with what Hall described as "sexual banter" where both parties described their fantasies.

After the woman asked a number of times whom she was texting with, Brar finally responded, "I am Jay."

Hall found that the woman — whose identity is protected by a publication ban — believed she was messaging with her friend Jay S.

The woman asked him questions like, "I thought you lived in Airdrie?" and "Why are you in Calgary today?"

She also asked whether Jay was attending a tattoo convention, "all of which would alert Mr. Brar that she thought he was someone else," said Hall.

By the early morning of Oct. 12, 2017, Brar had convinced the woman to invite him into her room, leaving the door jammed open for him to enter.

The two had sex and the woman testified that she felt confused and was "trying to figure out what was happening."

"She consensually engaged in sex with who she understood to be her friend Jay," said Hall. "She did not consent to the sex performed or participated in by Mr. Brar."

When police interviewed Brar, he initially denied having sex with the hotel guest and didn't admit to the encounter until being presented with video surveillance showing him entering her room.

While in police custody, Brar wrote his victim a letter of apology saying he felt shameful and guilty.

Brar is now out on bail.

Hall will hear sentencing submissions from prosecutor Pam McCluskey and defence lawyer Allan Fay later this year.
 

SchlongConery

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I cannot believe there are still men in the First world that thinks like you.
 

icespot

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I Thought for a second, Here was a case where I agree with you, but there is more to the story.

The woman was living a fantasy, with the man she thought was entering her room. She thought it was someone else, for the following reasons....

During their texts, the woman who believed Brar was an online acquaintance, asked him why he was in Calgary and if he was attending a tattoo convention there.

He noted Brar requested that his victim blindfold herself, that they not speak to each other and that they have sex in a way she couldn’t see his face, said Hall.

After a brief sexual encounter, it was clear Brar departed the hotel room quickly so he couldn’t be identified, he added.

Hall also noted Brar lied to police about his presence in the woman’s room.

“If he believed the sex was consensual, why did he lie repeatedly to police,” he said, adding Brar had also apologized to the woman for his actions.

https://calgarysun.com/news/crime/h...aulting-guest-by-faking-his-identity#comments


THIS IS REAL LIFE, NOT REVENGE OF THE NERDS.....YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
 

oil&gas

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Last night while I was sleeping in a hotel room
a woman who identified her as Madonna dropped in.
Since having sex with Madonna in the dark had been
my lifetime fantasy I gladly consented to her request to take
off her clothes and jumped into my bed. Next morning I found
out her real name was actually Tina Turner. I felt dirty
and at the risk of further degradation of my reputation
I cried rape to the police. What is chance justice will win?
 

Smallcock

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He clearly took advantage of her and hid his identity throughout the entire encounter.

She must have really liked the real Jay. Didn't take much for her to oblige his request for sex.
 

spraggamuffin

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What if it was JJ from Good Times and she was deaf in one ear and only heard one J?
 

Hungry101

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Fucking ridiculous. What woman would only use some vague text to identify her partner and then agree to meet in a room blindfolded? Regret is not the same as rape.
 

Grimnul

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I Thought for a second, Here was a case where I agree with you, but there is more to the story.

The woman was living a fantasy, with the man she thought was entering her room. She thought it was someone else, for the following reasons....

During their texts, the woman who believed Brar was an online acquaintance, asked him why he was in Calgary and if he was attending a tattoo convention there.

He noted Brar requested that his victim blindfold herself, that they not speak to each other and that they have sex in a way she couldn’t see his face, said Hall.

After a brief sexual encounter, it was clear Brar departed the hotel room quickly so he couldn’t be identified, he added.

Hall also noted Brar lied to police about his presence in the woman’s room.

“If he believed the sex was consensual, why did he lie repeatedly to police,” he said, adding Brar had also apologized to the woman for his actions.

https://calgarysun.com/news/crime/h...aulting-guest-by-faking-his-identity#comments


THIS IS REAL LIFE, NOT REVENGE OF THE NERDS.....YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
This. Consent is contextual. She was consenting to one specific man having sex with her. The man who did have sex with her was not the one she (knowingly) gave consent to. If you tell your girlfriend you’re gonna fuck her and tell her to wear a blindfold, then you sneak out and I come in and fuck her, that is non-consensual, because she gave consent to you, not me. When a woman says you can fuck her, she’s saying YOU can fuck her, not just anyone who may happen to be around. It doesn’t matter if the actual act was consensual if it wasn’t with the person she gave consent to.

In this case, she thought she was giving consent to someone else, and the guy who actually had sex with her deceived her into thinking he was that someone. That’s not a case of “regret”, that’s a case of someone tricking her into thinking they were someone else and not having informed consent.

The SPs here may want to have a real good think about accepting bookings with some of the guys here if this is what they think about consent.
 

whiteshaft

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LMAO! Good one but in this case, you think bribing the judge might help?

:yo:
Last night while I was sleeping in a hotel room
a woman who identified her as Madonna dropped in.
Since having sex with Madonna in the dark had been
my lifetime fantasy I gladly consented to her request to take
off her clothes and jumped into my bed. Next morning I found
out her real name was actually Tina Turner. I felt dirty
and at the risk of further degradation of my reputation
I cried rape to the police. What is chance justice will win?
 

oldjones

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This crime story is fucking hilarious and shows just how little responsibility a woman needs to have these days
Regret consenting the next night? Well file bs charges

Short version of story:
Dude looks girl up on facebook, contacts her, flirts with her, meets her and fucks her
It may be a Freudian thing, but you nailed it right there. He fucked her all right. In the nastiest, most criminal sense of the word, using false pretences to get selfish sex.

You fell into the your own hole. He fucks her? If there was consent it would be "and they fuck". Mutual.
 

Hungry101

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The SPs here may want to have a real good think about accepting bookings with some of the guys here if this is what they think about consent.
Don't you think that the girl is culpable at all? She thinks it's Jay. She must not know him very well. She didn't do her due diligence to make sure it was the right person. Is she a ward of the court that is not deemed mentally competent to give consent? She sure sounds like mental lightweight. Maybe the guy that was texting her thought that she was someone else? He should file a counter suit. Who texts with someone and then meets them in a room with a blindfold?

Next, she is going to go to a glory hole and then say I thought I was sucking someone else's dick and you beta males are going to be all enraged.
 

icespot

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This. Consent is contextual. She was consenting to one specific man having sex with her. The man who did have sex with her was not the one she (knowingly) gave consent to. If you tell your girlfriend you’re gonna fuck her and tell her to wear a blindfold, then you sneak out and I come in and fuck her, that is non-consensual, because she gave consent to you, not me. When a woman says you can fuck her, she’s saying YOU can fuck her, not just anyone who may happen to be around. It doesn’t matter if the actual act was consensual if it wasn’t with the person she gave consent to.

In this case, she thought she was giving consent to someone else, and the guy who actually had sex with her deceived her into thinking he was that someone. That’s not a case of “regret”, that’s a case of someone tricking her into thinking they were someone else and not having informed consent.

The SPs here may want to have a real good think about accepting bookings with some of the guys here if this is what they think about consent.
Very well said...
 

Dutch Oven

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What matters in this case is whether the man had a reasonable belief that the woman had consented to having sex with him. Like all criminal cases, the case turned on the state of mind of the accused, not of the victim. If she had consented to having sex with him, it would not have mattered whether she was mistaken about who he really was. However, while the news stories don't recite much of the evidence, the judge clearly found that the man had no belief that her consent applied to him. Since he proceeded without consent, it was rape.
 

Grimnul

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What matters in this case is whether the man had a reasonable belief that the woman had consented to having sex with him. Like all criminal cases, the case turned on the state of mind of the accused, not of the victim. If she had consented to having sex with him, it would not have mattered whether she was mistaken about who he really was. However, while the news stories don't recite much of the evidence, the judge clearly found that the man had no belief that her consent applied to him. Since he proceeded without consent, it was rape.
I mean, he denied having sex with her and only admitted to it when he was confronted with video evidence. He also apologized after. Clearly, he knew what he did was wrong and felt guilty about it. It’s pretty obvious he knew he didn’t have consent.
 

Dutch Oven

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I mean, he denied having sex with her and only admitted to it when he was confronted with video evidence. He also apologized after. Clearly, he knew what he did was wrong and felt guilty about it. It’s pretty obvious he knew he didn’t have consent.
I'm not taking issue with the court, because I certainly don't know what the evidence was. However, I don't believe the court would have analyzed the evidence the way you have. Whether someone feels "guilty" and/or apologizes about something they did doesn't make them criminally guilty. It means they are morally ashamed. People are commonly ashamed of actions that are not crimes. Someone could be morally ashamed of having anonymous sex, or even having sex out of wedlock (depending upon your religious beliefs). I do agree that denying facts until confronted with evidence would undermine the credibility of any witness. However, I don't think credibility played much of a role in this case, as it doesn't appear that the man claimed any belief that the woman had given him consent to have sex with her. Credibility would only have come into play if he'd made that claim (and testified).
 

Dutch Oven

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Don't you think that the girl is culpable at all? She thinks it's Jay. She must not know him very well. She didn't do her due diligence to make sure it was the right person. Is she a ward of the court that is not deemed mentally competent to give consent? She sure sounds like mental lightweight. Maybe the guy that was texting her thought that she was someone else? He should file a counter suit. Who texts with someone and then meets them in a room with a blindfold?

Next, she is going to go to a glory hole and then say I thought I was sucking someone else's dick and you beta males are going to be all enraged.
I think it's fair to say that the victim is not very smart, and showed a reckless disregard for her own safety. However, there are lots of laws that protect such people from those who would prey upon them.
 

Grimnul

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I'm not taking issue with the court, because I certainly don't know what the evidence was. However, I don't believe the court would have analyzed the evidence the way you have. Whether someone feels "guilty" and/or apologizes about something they did doesn't make them criminally guilty. It means they are morally ashamed. People are commonly ashamed of actions that are not crimes. Someone could be morally ashamed of having anonymous sex, or even sex out of wedlock (depending upon your religious beliefs). I do agree that denying facts until confronted with evidence would undermine the credibility of any witness. However, I don't think credibility played much of a role in this case, as it doesn't appear that the man claimed any belief that the woman had given him consent to have sex with her. Credibility would only come into play if he'd made that claim (and testified).
No, of course, feeling ashamed and being legally culpable of a crime are not the same thing. I’m just saying, I don’t see how anyone could claim that this was consensual. It seems pretty clear-cut to me, and it certainly seems like this guy knew it wasn’t consensual. You also have to question whether he felt bad for what he did or if he only apologized because he was caught and he figured feigning remorse might get him out of trouble.
 
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