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Shaunhorny

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It seems a lot of hobbyists are extremely naive. I'm making this post to give you an idea of what you should be able to expect from SP services and for what price.

Directly from the mouth of [content producer(s)] in the Porn industry right now:

"$100 per set is what I have paid models the past. Add the shitty economy and cut that down to $75-$80 per set to the model.

With the current economy I wouldn't offer more than USD$500 a day if she isn't taking cocks."

A day shoot is usually 5 - 6 hours. That for USD$500 - $1000 (taking cock). Note that these girls are 1) getting fucked on camera where the entire world will see them in perpetuity 2) they're handing over rights for others to use that video/photo content in any way they want.

For argument's sake, if an average SP is charging you $500/hour, you should expect good service. If you don't get good service at that rate, you're getting punked. If you pay that kind of money for idle chit chat with a girl because she looks good, you're an even greater punk (at this level you're a moron and your genes destined to the evolutionary dust bin, hopefully).

There are beautiful women in porn taking cocks in all holes getting paid these rates. Don't let a no-name SP charge you similar and NOT have her fuck your brains out behind closed doors. You are the one in charge. You're the one with the money to pay for a service. Everybody wants money. These girls live for money. No service, no money. If many of you would stop allowing yourselves to be punked, these girls would shape up. The ones who think they can do better would have to stick to domestic high rollers (who themselves may be unreliable since they can buy girls by the dozens) or pack their bags for NYC or LA.

Former NYC Governor Spitzer was busted using an escort service that charged between US$1,000 to US$5,500 per hour. You can be sure as fuck he and other clients paying those rates weren't doing it and getting the cold shoulder. They were getting exactly what they wanted; sex, and every fetish fantasy they wanted fulfilled. In many cases I suspect they got more than what you'd see on a typical hardcore porn film because it's behind closed doors so nobody will ever know, while there are some things even porn models don't want to do on film.

If you've ever paid $400+ and didn't get all basic services covered, you've been punked big time.

While Max Hardcore is now sitting in a Federal prison on charges relating to shipping of obscene material, he became a millionaire by paying girls $1500 to have them for several hours where he'd film himself ass fucking them, pissing on them, have them gag and puke, restrain them, speculum play, and all kinds of other shit.
 

Angela@Mirage

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Shaunhorny said:
It seems a lot of hobbyists are extremely naive. I'm making this post to give you an idea of what you should be able to expect from SP services and for what price.

Directly from the mouth of [content producer(s)] in the Porn industry right now:

"$100 per set is what I have paid models the past. Add the shitty economy and cut that down to $75-$80 per set to the model.

With the current economy I wouldn't offer more than USD$500 a day if she isn't taking cocks."

A day shoot is usually 5 - 6 hours. That for USD$500 - $1000 (taking cock). Note that these girls are 1) getting fucked on camera where the entire world will see them in perpetuity 2) they're handing over rights for others to use that video/photo content in any way they want.

For argument's sake, if an average SP is charging you $500/hour, you should expect good service. If you don't get good service at that rate, you're getting punked. If you pay that kind of money for idle chit chat with a girl because she looks good, you're an even greater punk (at this level you're a moron and your genes destined to the evolutionary dust bin, hopefully).

There are beautiful women in porn taking cocks in all holes getting paid these rates. Don't let a no-name SP charge you similar and NOT have her fuck your brains out behind closed doors. You are the one in charge. You're the one with the money to pay for a service. Everybody wants money. These girls live for money. No service, no money. If many of you would stop allowing yourselves to be punked, these girls would shape up. The ones who think they can do better would have to stick to domestic high rollers (who themselves may be unreliable since they can buy girls by the dozens) or pack their bags for NYC or LA.

Former NYC Governor Spitzer was busted using an escort service that charged between US$1,000 to US$5,500 per hour. You can be sure as fuck he and other clients paying those rates weren't doing it and getting the cold shoulder. They were getting exactly what they wanted; sex, and every fetish fantasy they wanted fulfilled. In many cases I suspect they got more than what you'd see on a typical hardcore porn film because it's behind closed doors so nobody will ever know, while there are some things even porn models don't want to do on film.

If you've ever paid $400+ and didn't get all basic services covered, you've been punked big time.

While Max Hardcore is now sitting in a Federal prison on charges relating to shipping of obscene material, he became a millionaire by paying girls $1500 to have them for several hours where he'd film himself ass fucking them, pissing on them, have them gag and puke, restrain them, speculum play, and all kinds of other shit.
Chris Rock?
 

Shaunhorny

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Angela@Mirage said:
Chris Rock?
Not sure what this means.


Strongbeau said:
Shaunhorny, take this as a friendly thought. If I were you, I'd do well to recognize that I shouldn't discount myself among those who are - as you indelicately opine - extremely naive.
What's your point? It was written for all to HELP hobbyists from NOT getting shafted out of hard earned dollars. Now that you know, you're a better equipped hobbyist.
 

smylee52

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What's your point? It was written for those to HELP hobbyists from NOT getting shafted out of hard earned dollars.[/QUOTE]




Comparing hobbying to porn has no value . You want to help hobbyists tell them there is no substitute for research and/or referrals .
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Ladyraven

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We are not Porn stars.. at least not me and I am sure I am not alone .. we do not fuck on film.. and tell me when did you become the saviour of all those who enjoy the hobby ?
 

Shaunhorny

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smylee52 said:
Comparing hobbying to porn has no value . You want to help hobbyists tell them there is no substitute for research and/or referrals .
This is not true, and the research/referrals tip has been given a million times. It's great advice, but I see no reason to repeat it.


Ladyraven said:
We are not Porn stars.. at least not me and I am sure I am not alone .. we do not fuck on film.. and tell me when did you become the saviour of all those who enjoy the hobby ?
Correct. You're not, which was one of the main points I was making.

You think I'm the saviour for all those who enjoy the hobby? I thank you for the honor.
 

snowleopard

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Shaunhorny said:
You think I'm the saviour for all those who enjoy the hobby? I thank you for the honor.
Awwwwh ... Sean, you're such a warm and sensitive new-age kinda guy ... Thanks for the friendly advice. Like Rubmeister says, I'm going to print it off, and the next time I see an SP, I'll be sure to give it to her to read ... and then I'll ask for a discount.

I'm sure she'll understand completely ... :rolleyes:
 

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snowleopard said:
Awwwwh ... Sean, you're such a warm and sensitive new-age kinda guy ... Thanks for the friendly advice. Like Rubmeister says, I'm going to print it off, and the next time I see an SP, I'll be sure to give it to her to read ... and then I'll ask for a discount.

I'm sure she'll understand completely ... :rolleyes:


you might want to consider a breath mint before you talk to her.


Seriously what woman could resist a coat like yours?
 

Noir

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Dude..

No disrespect intended, but go see an SP already.... You post a lot of questions, and a lot of speculations....Perhaps these all will change when you indulge in the hobby.

And anyone who is paying 1K and is just sitting around and chatting with a beautiful courtesan is getting what he wants. Companionship. I see nothing wrong with that. ^_^ If a person pays a amount of money and doesn't feel as though he got his money's worth ( for lack of a better term) he probably wont pay it again. Right? At least until he learns that he has other alternatives at a lower price range. I guess that it's all about finding a happy medium. ^_^


Shaunhorny said:
While Max Hardcore is now sitting in a Federal prison on charges relating to shipping of obscene material, he became a millionaire by paying girls $1500 to have them for several hours where he'd film himself ass fucking them, pissing on them, have them gag and puke, restrain them, speculum play, and all kinds of other shit.
Just print out this section, let alone your post in its entirety and present it to an SP that you're seeing. I dare ya...nah, I double dog dare ya. :D (Oh...and good luck)
 

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snowleopard said:
lol.. and maybe a jock-strap with cup, as well!
why do you keep your cup in a jock strap???????

Odd way to have your morning coffee. But I guess you might be grabbing more than just Tim's coffee. :p
 

snowleopard

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papasmerf said:
why do you keep your cup in a jock strap???????

Odd way to have your morning coffee. But I guess you might be grabbing more than just Tim's coffee. :p
Stupid question ... Keeps the coffee warm ... sheesh!
 

Shaunhorny

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rubmeister100 said:
I've come to learn that many porn girls get into it for the possibility of some sort of fame, not just the money.
Could be. There are probably a thousand reasons why some girls get into porn. Money is usually a huge factor.

Most girls don't last in porn after a single hardcore shoot. Why? It's too rough. Porn guys have larger cocks and the sex extra rough and explicit because that's good entertainment and is what porn fans want. It's typically not ordinary sex by any means.

rubmeister100 said:
SP's get into it for the money and don't want to be known for what they do.

Comparison is interesting but go ahead and see what an SP will do when you pull out a print out of your original post!
There is only one fundamental difference between escorting and porn: licensing/distribution rights and all that it entails (distribution rights obviously removes privacy which is paramount in hobbying). When a girl signs over rights to use sex footage of her, she is now in porn. Before signing such a contract, she is a prostitute.

Therefore for some to say that there is no comparison is bogus between escorting and porn is bogus. Both industries are shared in fundamental ways. The comparison is worthy because it provides a relative analysis of what is provided for what price with and without restrictions such as privacy. The more informed you are the better.
 

Rockslinger

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Shaunhorny said:
It seems a lot of hobbyists are extremely naive. I'm making this post to give you an idea of what you should be able to expect from SP services and for what price.
Although his language is indelicate at times, I think that Shaunhorny is simply trying to warn TERBIES from getting ripped off. I noticed in the Outcall Forum that both he and another TERBIE, in separate incidents, were victims of $400 ripoffs from two different ladies at two different outcall agencies.
 

Shaunhorny

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Noir said:
Just print out this section, let alone your post in its entirety and present it to an SP that you're seeing. I dare ya...nah, I double dog dare ya. :D (Oh...and good luck)
I would not present this to an SP that I'm seeing. There is no purpose. It is for me and me only to understand what is a reasonable expectation. Every Terbite should have an idea what to expect.
 

Shaunhorny

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Rockslinger said:
Although his language is indelicate at times, I think that Shaunhorny is simply trying to warn TERBIES from getting ripped off. I noticed in the Outcall Forum that both he and another TERBIE, in separate incidents, were victims of $400 ripoffs from two different ladies at two different outcall agencies.
Exactly.

Don't worry, I knew beforehand that this thread would bring out some sensitive saps and any number of offended SPs. Truth hurts when it's not put in delicate terms. In fact, it wouldn't matter if it was put in delicate terms or not, truth hurts when it doesn't align with one's sensibilities. Hence the reason I didn't give a fuck about my language.
 

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Rockslinger said:
Although his language is indelicate at times, I think that Shaunhorny is simply trying to warn TERBIES from getting ripped off. I noticed in the Outcall Forum that both he and another TERBIE, in separate incidents, were victims of $400 ripoffs from two different ladies at two different outcall agencies.
I noticed that...however, to compare two separate industries that have their own business models and say that they're the same is a bit ridiculous. I just don't see how the pricing for a 6 hr porn shoot has any relation to a 1hr session with a lady. Yes, there are similarities..but when you cut away the sexual aspect of both industries, you end up getting two different things. The opportunity for fame and being in the public eye vs. discreet companionship.

Most ladies DO NOT give their consent to be taped/photographed or filmed when they enter this line of work. That is not in the job description - whereas that is 100% necessary in porn. So, you are paid according to industry standards, based on your level of experience on film, as well as what that particular studio/producer can afford. How do those porn pricing standards relate to seeing an SP? They don't.

What you should expect when seeing an SP - Well, do your research. Feel out what other reviewers have said about that particular SP. Think about your finances. (ie. if you wouldn't be able to afford 400 dollars easily, don't pay it. DONE :D) Look at the consistency of good reviews on that particular SP, as well as your other options in that price range. There are a plethora of things that you can do save yourself from spending too much money. It just takes time- so think with Mr. Big Head, instead of the little head and be patient. I'm sure that you wont go wrong.
 

snowleopard

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Shaunhorny said:
Exactly.

Don't worry, I knew beforehand that this thread would bring out some sensitive saps and any number of offended SPs. Truth hurts when it's not put in delicate terms. In fact, it wouldn't matter if it was put in delicate terms or not, truth hurts. Hence the reason I didn't give a fuck about my language.
Ah yes truth ... it must be nice to have the 'mother of all comforts' .... the certainty of belief!

Each to his or her own self be true ... it all relative I guess
 

Shaunhorny

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Noir said:
I noticed that...however, to compare two separate industries that have their own business models and say that they're the same is a bit ridiculous. I just don't see how the pricing for a 6 hr porn shoot has any relation to a 1hr session with a lady. Yes, there are similarities..but when you cut away the sexual aspect of both industries, you end up getting two different things. The opportunity for fame and being in the public eye vs. discreet companionship.
Nobody said both businesses were the same. In fact I outlined explicitly the distinctions between each industry - one that you're now repeating verbatim.

Noir said:
Most ladies DO NOT give their consent to be taped/photographed or filmed when they enter this line of work. That is not in the job description - whereas that is 100% necessary in porn. So, you are paid according to industry standards, based on your level of experience on film, as well as what that particular studio/producer can afford. How do those porn pricing standards relate to seeing an SP? They don't.
Correct. And for this reason, one could argue that an SP should theoretically offer MORE for the same price, but I'm not pushing for that. I'm simply putting perspective on things. An SP is not going to be pigeon-holed the rest of her life as some porn chick on film. Her childrend aren't going to see her getting showered in cum in a bukkake scene. She gets to live a completely normal discreet life for similar pay.

It seems you have all missed the portion of my post that compared this industry to itself in other locations like NYC where Spitzer got busted.

The gist of the post is this, in case you fail to comprehend it. If a guy wants basic service for $400 and a girl claims to be a provider, some service should be rendered, and we all know what that means. If she says "it doesn't include sex", she's triyng to rip him off and he is entitled to get his money back in full.
 
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