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Columbia student’s visa cancelled for being with protesters

mandrill

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I can see someone's student visa being cancelled for criminal conduct or beliefs that are dangerous to the state - i.e. violent overthrow of the government or burning Teslas.

Pulling a highly qualified student's visa because she attended a demo appears a little over the top.
 
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I can see someone's student visa being cancelled for criminal conduct or beliefs that are dangerous to the state - i.e. violent overthrow of the government or burning Teslas.

Pulling a highly qualified student's visa because she attended a demo appears a little over the top.
what about if the student chants "river to the sea"? while on student visa and sports a Hamas scarf? It seems a lot of people here don't know how immigration works...there are some restrictions depending on what kind of Visa is given to you...now you were granted a privilege to access education...then in a time like these where protests are going on and teslas are being burnt and tension in the streets, it's a no no for a visitor to be in these types of activities...they revoked her visa...they didn't suppress her freedom to speak...they didn't tape her mouth or anything...being a visitor you're at the mercy of immigration officers or Homeland SEcurity.
 
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mandrill

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what about if the student chants "river to the sea"? while on student visa and sports a Hamas scarf?
I suspect the visa can be pulled because there's no legal entitlement to it.

But really?!?!?.... I hate Hamas and root for Israel, but I also want to live in a country that allows different people to express different opinions and her attending a demo is no threat to the state. Maybe if the demo turned violent and the student was part of the violence, it might be reasonable.
 
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I suspect the visa can be pulled because there's no legal entitlement to it.

But really?!?!?.... I hate Hamas and root for Israel, but I also want to live in a country that allows different people to express different opinions and her attending a demo is no threat to the state. Maybe if the demo turned violent and the student was part of the violence, it might be reasonable.
sorry I edited my post for further explanation...in short...it's a privilege that can be revoked...not a right...
 

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what about if the student chants "river to the sea"? while on student visa and sports a Hamas scarf? It seems a lot of people here don't know how immigration works...there are some restrictions depending on what kind of Visa is given to you...now you were granted a privilege to access education...then in a time like these where protests are going on and teslas are being burnt and tension in the streets, it's a no no for a visitor to be in these types of activities...they revoked her visa...they didn't suppress her freedom to speak...they didn't tape her mouth or anything...being a visitor you're at the mercy of immigration officers or Homeland SEcurity.
River to the Sea is also in the Likud charter, do you get banned when zionists chant it?

Why are people being disappeared for protesting against genocide in a foreign country, rich?
 
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mandrill

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The US constitution ensures free speech for citizens. She isn't one.

Yet she still had free speech and knew this and that's why she openly practised it. Now she's facing the consequences of that speech.

This should be celebrated. Go back to whatever shithole they came from to protest their own issues there.
No. It ensures free speech for everyone. But I suspect that there is no absolute right to a student visa and it can be cancelled for any reason.
 

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If America does not get rid of MAGA, it is the beginning of the end of their democracy.
They will end up like Nazi Germany.
Fascism is a process.
and it's going very fast there and millions of people are happy about it
 

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No. It ensures free speech for everyone. But I suspect that there is no absolute right to a student visa and it can be cancelled for any reason.

odd how the loonie left viewed the truckers (Canadian citizens) peaceful protest and their right to express free speech/ set up bouncy castles quite differently from foreign students supporting a terrorist organization / destruction of property

scratch a lefty and you will find hypocrisy
 

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How on earth are you confusing democracy for fascism?
1. Authoritarian Leadership Style
• Fascist regimes often revolve around a charismatic, strongman leader.
• Some U.S. political figures have embraced authoritarian rhetoric, challenged democratic norms, and concentrated power in the executive branch.


2. Nationalism and “America First” Ideology
• Fascism glorifies national identity and seeks to exclude or suppress perceived outsiders.
• A growing focus on ultra-nationalism and slogans like “America First” reflects similar prioritization of national identity, often at the expense of global cooperation or immigrant communities.

3. Demonization of Outsiders and Minorities
• Fascist regimes typically scapegoat minority groups (e.g., Jews in Nazi Germany).
• In the U.S., there’s been an increase in anti-immigrant rhetoric, bans targeting specific religious groups (e.g., Muslim ban), and racialized fear-mongering.


4. Disdain for Democratic Institutions
• Fascists seek to undermine checks and balances, including the press, judiciary, and electoral systems.
• In the U.S., there has been rhetoric aimed at delegitimizing the media (“fake news”), the judiciary, and elections (e.g., denying election outcomes).

5. Militarization and Law-and-Order Obsession
• Fascist regimes elevate the military and police while emphasizing “law and order” over civil liberties.
• In the U.S., there has been heavy police militarization and aggressive crackdowns on protests.

6. Propaganda and Control of Information
• Fascist states use propaganda to control the narrative and suppress dissent.
• The rise of partisan media, disinformation campaigns, and social media echo chambers mirrors this, though not state-controlled.

7. Cult of Personality
• Fascism often elevates the leader as infallible or god-like.
• In the U.S., some political figures have achieved near-cult-like status among their followers, who reject criticism as betrayal.

8. Disregard for Truth and Expertise
• Fascist regimes often reject objective truth and science in favor of ideology.
• In the U.S., some public officials and political groups have dismissed scientific consensus (e.g., on COVID-19, climate change) and embraced conspiracies.

9. Suppression of Dissent
• Fascist governments outlaw or violently suppress opposition.
• In the U.S., while free speech still exists, there have been concerns about protesters being targeted, journalists being attacked, and whistleblowers punished.

10. Fusion of Corporate and Government Interests
• Fascism often involves close cooperation between big business and the state.
• Critics argue that in the U.S., corporate lobbying and regulatory capture have eroded public interest in favor of powerful private entities.
 

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1. Authoritarian Leadership Style
• Fascist regimes often revolve around a charismatic, strongman leader.
• Some U.S. political figures have embraced authoritarian rhetoric, challenged democratic norms, and concentrated power in the executive branch.


2. Nationalism and “America First” Ideology
• Fascism glorifies national identity and seeks to exclude or suppress perceived outsiders.
• A growing focus on ultra-nationalism and slogans like “America First” reflects similar prioritization of national identity, often at the expense of global cooperation or immigrant communities.

3. Demonization of Outsiders and Minorities
• Fascist regimes typically scapegoat minority groups (e.g., Jews in Nazi Germany).
• In the U.S., there’s been an increase in anti-immigrant rhetoric, bans targeting specific religious groups (e.g., Muslim ban), and racialized fear-mongering.


4. Disdain for Democratic Institutions
• Fascists seek to undermine checks and balances, including the press, judiciary, and electoral systems.
• In the U.S., there has been rhetoric aimed at delegitimizing the media (“fake news”), the judiciary, and elections (e.g., denying election outcomes).

5. Militarization and Law-and-Order Obsession
• Fascist regimes elevate the military and police while emphasizing “law and order” over civil liberties.
• In the U.S., there has been heavy police militarization and aggressive crackdowns on protests.

6. Propaganda and Control of Information
• Fascist states use propaganda to control the narrative and suppress dissent.
• The rise of partisan media, disinformation campaigns, and social media echo chambers mirrors this, though not state-controlled.

7. Cult of Personality
• Fascism often elevates the leader as infallible or god-like.
• In the U.S., some political figures have achieved near-cult-like status among their followers, who reject criticism as betrayal.

8. Disregard for Truth and Expertise
• Fascist regimes often reject objective truth and science in favor of ideology.
• In the U.S., some public officials and political groups have dismissed scientific consensus (e.g., on COVID-19, climate change) and embraced conspiracies.

9. Suppression of Dissent
• Fascist governments outlaw or violently suppress opposition.
• In the U.S., while free speech still exists, there have been concerns about protesters being targeted, journalists being attacked, and whistleblowers punished.

10. Fusion of Corporate and Government Interests
• Fascism often involves close cooperation between big business and the state.
• Critics argue that in the U.S., corporate lobbying and regulatory capture have eroded public interest in favor of powerful private entities.
All these points can be applied to the Biden administration and every administration before it.

Stop propagating the fantasy that things are different now.

CNN told you 10 years ago that a certain someone was going to start WW3 if elected.

Remember the saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

You've been hoodwinked going on a decade strong.
 
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mandrill

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All these points can be applied to the Biden administration and every administration before it.

Stop propagating the fantasy that things are different now.

CNN told you 10 years ago that a certain someone was going to start WW3 if elected.

Remember the saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

You've been hoodwinked going on a decade strong.
Oh that's right. I remember when Biden attempted to overthrow his own government on 6 January 2021. Total fascist.
 
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