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Changing 16:9 to 4:3

SkyRider

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So, I got this nice 16:9 1920x1080p monitor. HOW DO I CHANGE THE 16:9 TO 4:3? I still have old videos and pics in the 4:3 format and they look weird on a 16:9 format.
 

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So, I got this nice 16:9 1920x1080p monitor. HOW DO I CHANGE THE 16:9 TO 4:3? I still have old videos and pics in the 4:3 format and they look weird on a 16:9 format.
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what software are you using? Should be an option to present it in native aspect ratio or stretch or aspect ratio 4:3 in the menu somewhere.
 

SkyRider

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what software are you using? Should be an option to present it in native aspect ratio or stretch or aspect ratio 4:3 in the menu somewhere.
Not sure what you mean by "software". It is a 16:9 Asus computer monitor. The only controls are 4 buttons at the bottom of the screen and they are difficult to use and are good only for brightness, contrast, volume, etc., nothing about changing the aspect. BTW: I looked at an Asus at Staples and their menu does seem to allow switching to 4:3 or 16:9 but the 4:3 was "grayed out".

I use a 22" TV for my other computer. That TV has a remote which allows, inter-alia, to switch to 16:9 or 4:3.
 

enyaw

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maybe if you had the drivers for your monitor that feature would be present. If you using a generic microsoft video/monitor driver your options will be limited. If possible try getting the latest drivers from Asus website and see if that works. Or try a media player like vlc and see if the options are in the settings. Cyberlink powerdvd is also a good player
 

SkyRider

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maybe if you had the drivers for your monitor that feature would be present. If you using a generic microsoft video/monitor driver your options will be limited. If possible try getting the latest drivers from Asus website and see if that works. Or try a media player like vlc and see if the options are in the settings. Cyberlink powerdvd is also a good player
Thanks. I got this monitor because a neighbor was moving out so I am not the original owner. Maybe I'll do a Google search and see what I find.
 

enyaw

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no probs that's why we are here, btw I made an error with the monitor. Your post doesn't mention the brand so I must have had Asus on my mind. But you can replace the name of manufacturer same scenario applies to all
 

SkyRider

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I must have had Asus on my mind. But you can replace the name of manufacturer same scenario applies to all
Yes, it actually is an Asus. Got it as a freebie from a neighbor who was changing residence. 24", 1920x1080p resolution, DVI (but no HDMI) input. The only problem is that I still have the older 640x480 videos and 4:3 photos that don't look good on a 16:9 format. Tried several times to change 16:9 to 4:3 but it doesn't even show as an option in the menu.
 

enyaw

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I guess niveamen was asking what "software" are you using to view the files, windows media player, quicktime etc? Hence my suggestions. There is also another option that is obscure, you could "try" to convert the files to something more compatible with your player. But that is treading on soft ground meaning you don't want any quality loss during the conversion process. To me this does look/seem like a software issue. The problem is how the original was recorded/saved at the time. Your work is cut out for you. I wish you luck
 

SkyRider

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I guess niveamen was asking what "software" are you using to view the files,
I'm using Media Player Classic. I've tried VLC and Quicktime but didn't like those as much (just a personal preference).
 

enyaw

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last but not least, burn an iso of linux bootable editon ie mint linux, run it live. You have to go into your bios to change your boot sequence to dvd/cd first boot. then try their media player and see if it looks ok. If not you lose nothing because it's a "live" cd/dvd. Just change your boot order back to what is was before. Worth a try? Does your computer have vga port and does the monitor have vga port? Maybe res is too high for native 4:3 alot of options to sort through here. But I'm signing off on this topic, sorry I couldn't help
 

SkyRider

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last but not least, burn an iso of linux bootable editon ie mint linux, run it live. You have to go into your bios to change your boot sequence to dvd/cd first boot. then try their media player and see if it looks ok. If not you lose nothing because it's a "live" cd/dvd. Just change your boot order back to what is was before. Worth a try?
This is way beyond my competence. Thanks anyway. I'll go back to my 22" TV where I can change the aspect with the remote. The Asus was a freebie so I'll keep it as a backup.

BTW: I was using the 22" TV as a real TV when my large screen Samsung was on the "injury reserve" list for the few days when the dying capacitors on the Samsung were being replaced. My friend couldn't attend to my capacitors for a few days because he had "other priorities" in his life.
 

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Yes, it actually is an Asus. Got it as a freebie from a neighbor who was changing residence. 24", 1920x1080p resolution, DVI (but no HDMI) input. The only problem is that I still have the older 640x480 videos and 4:3 photos that don't look good on a 16:9 format. Tried several times to change 16:9 to 4:3 but it doesn't even show as an option in the menu.
Something is wrong ......... this should work natively.

Questions:
0) Does text look okay on the monitor or is text also looking a bit strange? <-- this may be a key piece of information
1) Is this a monitor (CRT) or a LED/LCD display?
2) You indicated you've tried Media Player Classic, QuickTime and VLC for video playback. What are you using for pictures?
3) What is the model of the monitor? I'd like to determine if the monitor has a menu allowing setting for a forced aspect, sometimes the menus are hard to access, so I'll check the manual.
4) What video card (if you have a discrete one) do you have?
5) Is this a single monitor set-up?

Suggestions (assuming it's an LCD/LED panel):
1) Verify that the resolution of the monitor is correctly set-up in Windows. Right-click on the empty desktop, select Screen Resolution and verify it's 1920x1080. Verify screen refresh rate is 60Hz.
2) Make sure your video drivers and Media Player Classic are the latest versions

If everything is set-up correctly, your videos and pictures should be rendered properly by the apps. i.e. the software will automatically add left/right bars to a 4:3 ratio video. Pictures will be rendered in whatever resolution the picture is in, symmetrically scaled by the application to fit on the screen.

If indeed the picture on the monitor is stretched, I believe it's likely: 1) the windows monitor resolution setting is incorrect or 2) the monitor has a menu that has forced a 4:3 aspect.
 

SkyRider

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Something is wrong ......... this should work natively.

Questions:
0) Does text look okay on the monitor or is text also looking a bit strange? <-- this may be a key piece of information Text looks fine in all resolutions.
1) Is this a monitor (CRT) or a LED/LCD display? It is LCD, 24" and 16:9
2) You indicated you've tried Media Player Classic, QuickTime and VLC for video playback. What are you using for pictures? I only used Media Player Classic on this monitor. Have Tried VLC and Quicktime in the past on other monitors.
3) What is the model of the monitor? I'd like to determine if the monitor has a menu allowing setting for a forced aspect, sometimes the menus are hard to access, so I'll check the manual. I got the monitor as a freebie from a neighbor. No manual unless I can find one on the Internet. It is an Asus Model VH242, Version242H and has VGA, DVI and HDMI ports.
4) What video card (if you have a discrete one) do you have? Yes, computer has a video card with VGA and DVI (but not HDMI) output. Will try and find out which video card.
5) Is this a single monitor set-up? Actually, it is connected to two computers. One is a VGA connection and the other is DVI. The monitor does correctly select the right input automatically.

Suggestions (assuming it's an LCD/LED panel):
1) Verify that the resolution of the monitor is correctly set-up in Windows. Right-click on the empty desktop, select Screen Resolution and verify it's 1920x1080. Verify screen refresh rate is 60Hz. When I set the resolution 1980x1080p the monitor does play the 4:3 videos and photos in 4:3 but the image is really small. If I set the resolution to 800x600 the monitor plays 4:3 videos and photos in 16:9 with the weird looking effect.

2) Make sure your video drivers and Media Player Classic are the latest versions Media Player Classic is the 2015 version so it is either current or close to current. Query: What is video drivers?

If everything is set-up correctly, your videos and pictures should be rendered properly by the apps. i.e. the software will automatically add left/right bars to a 4:3 ratio video. Pictures will be rendered in whatever resolution the picture is in, symmetrically scaled by the application to fit on the screen.

If indeed the picture on the monitor is stretched, I believe it's likely: 1) the windows monitor resolution setting is incorrect or 2) the monitor has a menu that has forced a 4:3 aspect.
My response is in red in the quote section.
 

enyaw

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transformers transform, best answer promo is transformer prime lol. I think he/she has the best response yet and someone that knows his shit
 

enyaw

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red section says media player classic 2015, there is no such media player. Some one is taking you for a loop. I sugest scanning all of your shit. And you didn't mention malware or virus? shame on you aka windows media player doesn't go in those versions. Good eye Promo. It's the way the question is phrased
 

SkyRider

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red section says media player classic 2015,
Sorry, I was using shorthand when I said Media Player 2015, the proper description is Media Player Classic - Home Cinema.1.7.8.x86. My video card is NIVIDEA (sp), not sure how many GB.
 

Promo

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Here's the manual for the monitor: http://static.highspeedbackbone.net/pdf/ASUS VH242-VH222 Series LCD Monitor Manual.pdf
Monitor indeed supports forced 16:9 and 4:3 modes
Use of the controls is explained in section 1.5
Aspect controls is described in section 5

My suggestions:
1) Set up the monitor to 16:9 and then don't change it for the rest of this troubleshooting exercise.

2) Connect the monitor to your PC using the digital input (DVI). Do not use the VGA connector.

3) Disconnect the cable to the other computer. No cable at all. I use multi-monitor set-ups, but not multi-pc to single monitor setups. It's probably fine, but just in case, let's eliminate it as a variable.

4) Set your PC monitor resolution to 1920x1080, 60 Hz refresh and then don't change it for the rest of this troubleshooting exercise. ALWAYS run a LCD/LED panel at it's native resolution or the picture will look like sh*t.

5) You need to make sure you have the latest nvidia video drivers. Hopefully Windows Update has correctly identified the Nvidia video card and has been keeping the video drivers up to date. Run windows update and let's hope.

6) The latest Media Player Classic is 1.7.10.40 Latest can be downloaded here: https://mpc-hc.org/

Understand that not all videos you download from the internet are 1920x1080. They can be any size right down to almost nothing - MPC will open at the video's default size. But you can make it bigger by dragging MPC's window, but it may make the video look grainy as it get larger. MPC will automatically keep the aspect correct for the source material.

7) Open a video in MPC. Hit F11 (full screen mode). Does the aspect look okay (ignore graininess)? Select Shift+F10. What is the video size?

Assuming everything is set-up properly, I suspect what is happening is that your little 640x480 video (aka 480i or 480p) is only taking up ~1/6 of the screen. If you left it at 1/6, the video should look fine, just small. But I'm guessing you dragged the player to make it larger and as a result the video began to look very grainy. This is to be expected and is an unfortunate result of today's fixed resolution LCD panels.

If indeed you are playing with the monitor's resolution - don't. It will only result in weird shaped images that can look deformed and/or grainy. Always run LED/LCD monitors at their native resolution.

Can't really explain the pictures though, but I'm guessing it's the same problem. The pictures are low resolution and as you drag them to make them larger, they become grainy. What are the picture's resolution? What program are you using to view them?
 

SkyRider

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Assuming everything is set-up properly, I suspect what is happening is that your little 640x480 video (aka 480i or 480p) is only taking up ~1/6 of the screen. If you left it at 1/6, the video should look fine, just small.
Thanks for all the work you done on this matter. Yes, if I set the monitor resolution at 1920x1080p, the 640x480 video looks very small but very sharp and clear. (Before they went broke, I asked Black's if they could upgrade a 640x480 video to 1280x960. They said no.)

Can't really explain the pictures though, but I'm guessing it's the same problem. The pictures are low resolution and as you drag them to make them larger, they become grainy. What are the picture's resolution? What program are you using to view them?
I have some old photos that are 640x480 and they look really small at 1920x1080 resolution but they do show in 4:3 format. Monitor does show some of the larger pixel (say 2MP and up) photos in 4:3 format by leaving blank space to the left and right of the pic. I'm using the Windows Picture and Fax Viewer to view my photos. Note: I prefer 4:3 format when I take pics of people (e.g. Jennifer Lawrence). 16:9 leaves too much empty space to the left and right of the human subject.

BTW: I've gone back to using my 22" TV as a monitor. I can switch from 16:9 to 4:3 and back to 16:9 simply by pressing two buttons on the remote. The Asus is now my backup monitor.
 
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