Just wondering, when purchasing a vehicle, how can I find out what day of the week it was made? I want to follow the business school cliche: "do not buy a car that is made on a monday or friday......wednesday is the best day, but tuesday and thursday are fine as well" Assuming the dealer would know, how can I be assurred its the truth? Anyone? Thanks.
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it only applies to the bigger car makers i would think. a ferrari or a porsche would not be built the same way. too small to be hungover in their factories every monday and they dont give a shit about leaving early on friday because they work saturday too.
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in a way, what you're saying is right but the main reason why manufacturers like ferrari and porsche don't have the same problems as those like ford and gm is because they have smaller economies of scale. also those types of cars and mostly "made to order" like dell computers.
theres usually stickers on the door jam or elsewhere depending on the car make and model with a numerical code that should have a lot of info in it when its deciphered. should be able to find it on the net.
also find out what factory your car was built it. some are much worse than others.
also find out what factory your car was built it. some are much worse than others.
Trouble is, most cars (particularly from the big 3) are not made in one day. A lot of cars are made piecemeal - body is made in one plant, engine is made in another. You could get a car that's mostly assembled on a Wed but the engine was made on Mon. Or you could get an underbody that's made on Tues but the doors were stamped on Mon and the engine was made on Fri.
the truth is that cars are not built in one day and components are sourced from other factories, I would assume that you are worried about quality, if that is the case, I would try to find out when the car was built and shipped to the dealer and then figure out how long that car has been sitting on the lot exposed to the elements.short said:
Bullshit!! A big 3 vehicle is a damn good one!! Just check some of the JD Power Results!JJicq said:
I dunno where you guys get off criticizing Big 3 vehicles,we work damn hard and we do a quality job and that old myth about never buying one built on a Monday or Friday is a bunch of crap too!!
okay so one garage owner in a small town tells you he relies on domestic cars for service and that automatically means imports are better? please. that tells me that perhaps the people with imports prefer to take their car to the dealer for service. My only point is that the automotive market is such that you can not put a truely crappy car on the road and still expect to make a profit. There are just as many POS Honda's and Toyota's out there as there are GM's, Ford's and Dodge's.
Let me guess, you (Dancerfan) are.....
I could write a book on this subject and might someday when I retire...
Making every attempt to be fair about this subject, I will share that I have spent much time (40% annually) working with (Plant Management, Corp. Execs and Union representation) at Auto giants based in North America, Europe and Asia over the past seven years and have gained valuable and real business information from these people. There is a recognized gap between the Big 3 and Asian and EE Automakers, many of the key performance indicators relate to the Workforce competency, regard, values and guiding purpose in their work. Like in real estate, they say Location, Location, Location... in the business world one might say Attitude, Attitude, Attitude. I should say positive and productive attitude, lacking in the big 3, BIGTIME.
Plant and individual employee productivity - Asian companies
Safety
Quality
Profitability
Market share
Customer Loyalty
Employee Morale
Fair market value regarding wages
New jobs - Big 3 are in huge retrenchment
All of these areas and more the Big Three are under performaing compared to competition.
Bottomline, over the next decade or two as the aging workforce in this market retire, jobs will be replaced at about a 2 to 10 ratio (10 people retire, compay will hire 2) and their production numbers will not be impacted.
Going forward, Multi-skill, cross training, call it what you want will be the rule not the exception as it is today and the Antiquated Union (once had a valuable role) will be no more.
If Unions persist as they will for the near term, so will the migration of jobs to the Southern US or oversees where more competitive labor situations reign supreme which translates into the Big 3 finally turning their situation around perhaps and maximizing profits and putting a halt to the market erosion they are faced with today in the largest global market on the planet (USA).
I can not speak to your work ethic, if you say you work hard, then sobeit and thank you!
Salmon are calling me to the great waters in NW Michigan so, I must be off!!!!
Later
JJ
or have some close relationship with people who are CAW and or UAW.Dancerfan said:
I could write a book on this subject and might someday when I retire...
Making every attempt to be fair about this subject, I will share that I have spent much time (40% annually) working with (Plant Management, Corp. Execs and Union representation) at Auto giants based in North America, Europe and Asia over the past seven years and have gained valuable and real business information from these people. There is a recognized gap between the Big 3 and Asian and EE Automakers, many of the key performance indicators relate to the Workforce competency, regard, values and guiding purpose in their work. Like in real estate, they say Location, Location, Location... in the business world one might say Attitude, Attitude, Attitude. I should say positive and productive attitude, lacking in the big 3, BIGTIME.
Plant and individual employee productivity - Asian companies
Safety
Quality
Profitability
Market share
Customer Loyalty
Employee Morale
Fair market value regarding wages
New jobs - Big 3 are in huge retrenchment
All of these areas and more the Big Three are under performaing compared to competition.
Bottomline, over the next decade or two as the aging workforce in this market retire, jobs will be replaced at about a 2 to 10 ratio (10 people retire, compay will hire 2) and their production numbers will not be impacted.
Going forward, Multi-skill, cross training, call it what you want will be the rule not the exception as it is today and the Antiquated Union (once had a valuable role) will be no more.
If Unions persist as they will for the near term, so will the migration of jobs to the Southern US or oversees where more competitive labor situations reign supreme which translates into the Big 3 finally turning their situation around perhaps and maximizing profits and putting a halt to the market erosion they are faced with today in the largest global market on the planet (USA).
I can not speak to your work ethic, if you say you work hard, then sobeit and thank you!
Salmon are calling me to the great waters in NW Michigan so, I must be off!!!!
Later
JJ
I am an Autoworker yes,have been for 30 yrs now, and im proud of what i do and the products we make.
I read your points and while i agree with some of them a lot of those things you say cannot be changed by hourly employees,such as Morale on the shop floor,youd have to speak to management about that one!!
If i was to come on here and crticize whatever it is you do and tell people not to patronize your company because i have some belief that some other company in another part of the world does it better and not to buy your product or service,you wouldnt like it much,would you???
Some people have this idea that we're all lazy and the company has to chase us to do our jobs,well let me tell you nothing is further from the truth,and that old myth about avoiding a vehicle because it was built on a Monday or Friday paints us all as a bunch of drunks,which is by no means true either.
The big 3 provides a lot of jobs in this province in their plants and "spin off" jobs in a lot of other companys as well,not just blue collar ones,but white collar ones too,a lot more than the Japanese or European manufacturers!
So be careful,the jobs you save might be your own!
I read your points and while i agree with some of them a lot of those things you say cannot be changed by hourly employees,such as Morale on the shop floor,youd have to speak to management about that one!!
If i was to come on here and crticize whatever it is you do and tell people not to patronize your company because i have some belief that some other company in another part of the world does it better and not to buy your product or service,you wouldnt like it much,would you???
Some people have this idea that we're all lazy and the company has to chase us to do our jobs,well let me tell you nothing is further from the truth,and that old myth about avoiding a vehicle because it was built on a Monday or Friday paints us all as a bunch of drunks,which is by no means true either.
The big 3 provides a lot of jobs in this province in their plants and "spin off" jobs in a lot of other companys as well,not just blue collar ones,but white collar ones too,a lot more than the Japanese or European manufacturers!
So be careful,the jobs you save might be your own!
they don't have to be a bunch of drunks to make that myth a reality. its just human nature to feel down on a monday, and have an anxious feeling to look forward to the weekend on a friday, thus slacking off. and as mentioned in a previous post, japanese manufacturers have a different lifestyle than north americans - as they work on saturdays also.Dancerfan said:
In the days when the Big 3 were the only real game in town, this myth of Monday/Friday was somewhat true. Back then (prior to the gas crisis of the '70s), the imports were poor quality cheap cars and the NA companies never thought of them as viable options.
Today, cars are made all over the world for different companies. For example, the Ford Escape and Mazda Tibute are made in the same facility in Flat Rock, Mich. How can anyone say the Mazda is a Japanese truck?
I grew up in a town who's major employer was (and still is) a Ford assembly plant. There are some comments here that the cars are made in different plants. While it is true that components come from other locations, the "assembly plant" is the major plant that builds the vehicle from the components.
I used to know someone in the plant's paint shop, if you told him that you (or a friend) had ordered a certain car, he would keep and eye for it. When it exited the paint line and was inspected, he would put a scratch in the paint that would cause it to go around again for another coat - extra paint layers would make it last longer.
It is pretty much a myth now that car quality goes down at the beginning or end of the work week. With plants running multiple shifts over the entire 7 days, it does not work anymore.
Today, cars are made all over the world for different companies. For example, the Ford Escape and Mazda Tibute are made in the same facility in Flat Rock, Mich. How can anyone say the Mazda is a Japanese truck?
I grew up in a town who's major employer was (and still is) a Ford assembly plant. There are some comments here that the cars are made in different plants. While it is true that components come from other locations, the "assembly plant" is the major plant that builds the vehicle from the components.
I used to know someone in the plant's paint shop, if you told him that you (or a friend) had ordered a certain car, he would keep and eye for it. When it exited the paint line and was inspected, he would put a scratch in the paint that would cause it to go around again for another coat - extra paint layers would make it last longer.
It is pretty much a myth now that car quality goes down at the beginning or end of the work week. With plants running multiple shifts over the entire 7 days, it does not work anymore.
