Canadian Travel Warning for U.S.

[joebob]

Anyone seen this yet? Should generate some interesting discussion...


http://www.cnn.com/2002/TRAVEL/10/30/canada.us.travel/index.html


Joebob

 

[MuffinMuncher]

Ridiculous

"attention america your prez is a racist crook literally"


First of all, you give our "prez" too much credit if you think he is involved in every decision made by any branch or agency of the government. Yes, it is discriminatory, but I'd hardly call it racist.

Think of it this way. If a bully stole your bike, and the only thing you knew about him was his/her skin color or ethnic origin, where would you start looking for it?

Second, where did you get "crook" from? How is Bush a literal crook... or for that matter even a figurative crook? What did he steal?

 

[niplust]

Get some spine

I am so tired of "kinder gentler" Canadains taking a non-supportive stance of the US in the war on terror.

You can read in today's Post that CSIS has hard evidence that Hezbollah is using Canada to raise money for terrorism and also as a base to purchase military equipment. Astonishingly, our Prime Minister Cretin refuses to take away Hezbollah's charitable status and he still does not object to their presence in Canada. This is Canadian govenment policy. It is hard to believe.

This is a war. One must take sides.

I, for one am behind the United States. If our government openly supports continued terrorist activities in Canada, the US has no choice but to screen Canadians who fit the terrorist profile. Do not blame the US for protecting itself.

There is one way to avoid these problems: Get rid of the moron on Sussex Drive and implement serious anti-terrorist policies and screening in Canada.

Put that in your hooka and smoke it!!!!

Cheers

 

[TravellingGuy]

Deportation

What pulled my chain was the dual citizen that they deported to Syria, they should have let him go back to Canada.

The US has every right to screen/limit access to THEIR country all they want, but they certainly have no rights to force you to go someplace you don't want to go, they can deny you entry or deport you, but atleast they should let you decide where you want to go.

If we have to take sides, then I'm not siding with the US, I have absolutely zero control or influence on the US, why would I side with them? I side with Canada and I support Canada in their disapproval of how Canadians (regardless of where they were born) are being treated by the US.

 

[TheNiteHwk]

Re: Get some spine

I am so tired of "kinder gentler" Canadains
This is a war. One must take sides.
There is one way to avoid these problems: Get rid of the moron on Sussex Drive and implement serious anti-terrorist policies and screening in Canada.
Put that in your hooka and smoke it!!!! ... Cheers

I wish I still had my hooka. Sadly it was confiscated by LE many years ago. I was never even charged with anything... when my lawyer tried to get it back... it was suddenly 'lost'. Another fine example of our LE hard at work 'serving & protecting'. lmao.

With all due respect to LE ( I do respect LE, even though I don't always agree with them) their manpower could be IMNSHO much better delegated. It's not always the members of LE fault though. They can only work with the laws and other tools they are given. So yes I think a large part if it has to do with us Canuks being "kinder & gentler" The international crime communities and individual criminals and terrorist are coming here in droves to take advantage of our "kinder & gentler" laws and lax immigration policies. They in fact laugh at us... we are a big joke to them. Our welcome mat is out to the whole world... come one COME ALL to the land of the free... please take advantage of us. Oh if your a crack dealer or whatever else... sorry if we catch you we will have to put you in jail for 60 days... not to worry though when you get out we will give you money so you can start up your 'enterprise' again. Oh if your a terrorist... not to worry just stay here long enough we will give you a Canadian Citizenship and Passport so you can travel the world now and PRETEND to be a REAL Canadian. Now before you all start to flame me... I know that not all or even a majority of immigrants are criminals or terrorists. I simply think that the % of (whatever that % might be) is way too high. And when we do catch them (if we do) we are way too lax on them. I was not being sarcastic when I said above that if you deal crack you will go to jail for a very short time and when you get out you will get money to start over. A min of 30 days and welfare will give you $700. or more when you get out. THIS IS A FACT! As far as I am concerned if you come to Canada from outside and break the law you should be kicked out period... no exceptions. And you know what... I don't need to be a brain surgeon or do any costly studies in racial profiling to tell you where most of these people (criminals & terrorist) are coming from. BTW I am not a prejudice person; I am just not in denial that's all. Let’s say that your neighbor has a doz. sharks in his pool but he reassures you that only two of them bite. He is not sure which ones they are. Now the sharks want to travel a bit and go check out a different pool for a change. Are you going to take any in your pool? Or if you do … don’t you think you would rather somehow check them out first? IMO the states is only doing some of what we should have been doing long time ago.

 

[niplust]

Re: New on the front

As for the profiling of Canadian citizens by the US (I believe I read they are photgraphing and fingerprinting them without due cause), the fact is that 99.9% of those they are harasssing are the people who have fled the oppressive regimes that the USA is trying to eliminate. Why would you want to target those who are on your side when fighting a common foe???

PAL [/B]

The answer is simple. The 1 in 1,000 is the suicide bomber.

I have nothing to hide, they are welcome to take my picture and finger prints to prevent another bombing.

Cheers

 

[penguin_jf]

A point to consider is..

.... that these things are happening BEFORE the people in question are admitted into the US, not after. They have the choice to simply choose not to come into the United States. Surely a country has the right to defend it's borders as it sees fit?

 

[TheNiteHwk]

Re: New on the front

the fact is that 99.9% of those they are harasssing are the people who have fled the oppressive regimes that the USA is trying to eliminate. Why would you want to target those who are on your side when fighting a common foe??? ... PAL

Really? I happen to live in an immigrant household. Although they are not Middle Eastern or even E. Euro... they did come from a country you or we might or would consider as 'living in an oppressive regime'. Ask them or any of their friends (I have asked this question) why they came here and they will ALWAYS say MONEY. Believe me if we attacked their 'homeland' tomorrow (and some I know are now Canadian) they would not be rushing to join on our side. Most likely the opposite.

I also have a LF who is Middle Eastern (she was born there). She lived there (in Middle East) till she was ten years old then England till she was 17. Now at 28 she is here and has become a Canadian citizen. She hates Jews, thinks most Canadians are stupid and is only happy to be Canadian so she can take advantage of all the rights that gives her. Why does she think like this? She was taught by her family, mostly her dad. Her father is a devout Muslim and has disowned her because she once worked as a MPA. While she enjoys Canada's freedoms... [Among them being able to show her face, wear low cut tops and mini skirts (I enjoy that too)] believe me if we attacked Egypt tomorrow she most certainly would not support us. Why am I still her friend? I respect her freedom of beliefs and expression, I believe she is harmless (she is not a terrorist or a criminal, she could not harm a fly, lol.) and I am your typical Canadian male... (weak) ie: she is stunningly beautiful.

 

[Dr. Gonzo]

I, for one, would never submit to fingerprinting or other types of profiling while doing nothing more than conducting my daily business. It may be harmless at the moment to give over such information, but I worry for the future.

IE: While travelling I'm fingerprinted, photographed and questioned at length purely because I am of some ethnic group or meet some other criteria. Jump ahead a few years and I'm attending a peaceful protest against police brutality or globalization or whatever and I'm photographed again, secretly, by police inteligence (and they DO photograph people at protests, trust me). This photo gets fed into a database and they find a match with my travel entry. Now they have my name, all my personal info, fingerprints, etc... and they now know I'm a bit of a dissident/activist. Repeat the cycle of attendiing and being photographed at so-called "radical" (but peaceful) events and sooner or later I end up in a political dissidents file. Then some maniac, or maniacs, decide to go and blow up a building again or commit some other atrocity and BANG, I'm in a federal prision with no warrant, no charges, no bail, no lawyer, no consular services, indefinitely. All because I matched some profile when I "innocently", having nothing to hide, submitted to questioning and fingerprinting.

Think this is a bit far-fetched? Tell that to the hundreds still in prisons in the US without charges or trials for over a year now....