Canadian Division

langeweile said:

1) Quebec
Probably the biggest divider within this country. While currrently it is kind of on hold. The issue doesn't seem resolved yet.

2)Alberta
Is Quebec and the pandering to them part of that reason? Is the other part the fact that they have to pay a lot in to the kitty and don't get much out? You have to like provincial taxes in AB

4) The ever present notwithstanding clause. Wow there is a mouthful. Any chances that will be taken out? It seems it allows provinces to leave any federal deal they don't like, on a constitutional level. While I like believe in states righs/provincial rights. I don't like the way QC has applied this clause.

1/ Just a gut feel, but I sense the Quebec issue has had its critical peak. After living through 1980s and 90s economic depression, I dont think Quebecers really want to go that route again - they made their point, and its time for the pendumlum to swing the other way. The English and the rest of Canada did play to heavy on them for decades - in ways you can only appreciate if you understand it on a personal level. Mill workers were french, management were always English - thats the way it is, and there was very little advancement. You could not speak French in the head office of the Royal Bank in Canada in Montreal without threat of being fired. Little thinkgs like that. Separation risks hurt all of Canada, with the $CAD being pounded, foreign investment cautious (they feared a US type Civil war) - and we all paid the price - so Quebec had extorted significant sums of money from the other provinces to make them happy, leading to resentment. My sense is that the PQ will never be close to 50% again in a referendum - the young of today are much more international and connected.

2/ The Not withstanding Clause is intersting that you would refernce that. The reason it was inserted was becasue of Alberta, not Quebec, although Quebec has used it. Canada is a Federal state, meaning we like thing central. That we call our founding father the "Fathers of Confederation" is hilarious. The US is a true Confederation - meaning increased state control. Quebec opted out of the CPP and has done a fairly good job using the Casse/QPP to promote investment in Quebec. They wanted to kill two birds with one stone, domestic investment and improvments to the pension plan - time will tell if it is a good process. They regarded it as critical to their development, the clause allows a province to opt out if they feel strongly about some issue - seems fair.

3/ Danny Williams, Premier of NFLD pulled what appears to be a typcially Canadian stunt last week. NFLD gets equalization payments from Ontartio and Alberta in order that we may have comperable social programs across Canada, unlike the US for instance where Alabama would have different programs than NY. So now that he has offshore oil revenues - he wants those revenues kept separate and outside the calclulation - so that he has the checks coming from Ottawa, plus his own income on the side. This is truly Canadian and a real weakenss in our pysche. Canada is a greatr place to have no job, and live in relative comfort in the place of your choosing. Unlike the US - where you actually get off your ass and move to opportunity.

I have lived in both the US and Canada. If you want to understand the difference between Canada and the US - consider two things. Our slogan is "peace order and good govt" - it says alot. The other is go the Niagara Falls. As you drive from Niagara on the Lake to the Falls, notice on the Canadian side we have developed a park system with a running/biking trail between the road and the river - designed for all to enjoy. Cast your eyes across to the US - where private property and fence lines allow no one - except for the very few, access to one of natures great scenes.
 
The Premiers of Saskatchewan and Manitoba insisted the most on the notwithstanding clause, moreso than Peter Lougheed of Alberta. The justification was rooted in a respect for British constitutional practice and tradition, namely that Parliament (or the legislatures in the case of the Provinces) is sovereign. The notion of placing certain areas of jurisdiction outside the perview of elected assemblies is foreign to British Parliamentary government.

Of course this argument is somewhat specious, as these powers still can be exercised (even without the notwithstanding clause) by elected representatives, provided that Parliament and the elected provincial assemblies are in agreement in sufficient numbers in order to amend the charter.
 
a little defensive papasmerf?

Originally posted by Asterix
papa,

Just a kindly suggestion. Once you've hit the eighth beer of the afternoon, you might want to reconsider posting.
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Um no

I live in the US and do not see the division in the people or idealolgy the networks wish us to believe. Sure there are basic differences from party to party. The conservitives are not as big on the goventment supporting the masses as the liberals are. And conservitives are likely to be for the death penalty and not abouttion. while the liberals tend to be pro-abortion and anti- death penalty. Liberals support more taxes to run programs to coddle the people, while conservitives suggest strength from personal growth.

The kerry campaign has tried to call Iraq a viet-nam and many parrot those words. But in general the public is not buying it. We are not having knock down drag out fights over disagreements in the war. Will I reconsider??
Not on your life. A life that like it or not is protected by America.

I believe Asterix was commenting on your atrocious spelling.