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I too, surprisingly enough, find this disgraceful.

While I agree that Bush is intellectually challenged I don't think it is at all proper decorum for our leaders and bureaucrats to resort to personal slander. It shows no class whatsoever and the PM should likely reconsider Mr. Ducros employment status.

I think the PM and his staff are free to hold the opinion that Bush is a moron, it's an opinion I share. But this kind of schoolyard slander should be left out of diplomacy and politics as a whole. If one wanted to convey the President's lack of good sense and indeed his moral failures there are plenty of factual ways one could do so without taking cheap shots like this.
 

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Nothing that Jay Leno doesn't say on a regular basis . File under the category of "it's ok for us to criticize ourselves but not for anyone else to ". Why is it news when some minor non-elected diplomat ( who i believe i heard was a she ) says something stupid .
EBS why are you so damn sensitive ?
 

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train said:
Nothing that Jay Leno doesn't say on a regular basis . File under the category of "it's ok for us to criticize ourselves but not for anyone else to ". Why is it news when some minor non-elected diplomat ( who i believe i heard was a she ) says something stupid .
EBS why are you so damn sensitive ?
Leave it to a woman to show some balls.
 

Dr69

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It wasn't an official statement. It was a conversation that was overheard by reporters. A lot of people call Bush a moron in private.

Wasn't it Bush and/or Cheney who made some stupid off the cuff comment when they thought the microphones were off? And his brother Jeb BUsh also made some stupid comments which he thought were private.

All I can say is, morons in glass houses should not throw stones.
 

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Dr69 said:
It wasn't an official statement. It was a conversation that was overheard by reporters. A lot of people call Bush a moron in private.
True but -
First rule of politics is that there are no UN-official or off the record remarks when there are reporters (or microphones) around. As Ronnie Raygun said "We're attacking the Russians, the bombings will start in 15 minutes. yuk yuk...hey is this thing on?"
 

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With Friends like this.....

Maybe the National Review artical was right!

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This is an excerpt from a Reuters report printed in the New York Times:

"According to Canadian media reports, White House officials privately refer to the 68-year-old Chretien as "dino,' short for dinosaur."
 

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train said:
Why is it news when some minor non-elected diplomat ( who i believe i heard was a she ) says something stupid.
It wasn't a "minor" diplomat. It was agruably the most important staff person in the PMO, the Communications Director. She speaks for the Prime Minister, that is her job description, and that is why this is so serious. This was a statement made to a reporter and could be considered to be coming from our moron prime minister.

Francie Ducros is a bully. She has a reputation for playing favourites in the press corps, using a sledge hammer and little tact to get things done and has made a lot of enemies. She brought this on herself.
 

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I guess I was letting my low opinion of "spin doctors " show through when I called her minor . I assume she must have "pictures " because it is reported that Johnny Crouton has refused her resignation .
 

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Who cares? Why are you so eager to please the US?

The guy IS a MORON. He is a warmonger. Just because the American people are stupid enough to buy his crap, it doesn't mean the Canadians should too.

Why can't you people have a backbone and stand up to the US?

And as reported, the Bush Whitehouse doesn't exactly have a very high opinion of Chertien.

It just so happens that this remark about Bush slipped out in public.

Big F*cking deal.
 

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Why Not? said:


It wasn't a "minor" diplomat. It was agruably the most important staff person in the PMO, the Communications Director. She speaks for the Prime Minister, that is her job description, and that is why this is so serious. This was a statement made to a reporter and could be considered to be coming from our moron prime minister.

Francie Ducros is a bully. She has a reputation for playing favourites in the press corps, using a sledge hammer and little tact to get things done and has made a lot of enemies. She brought this on herself.
This is right on. And it sounds like someone tried to get her in deep doo-doo .. and succeeded.
 

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Dr69 - it's just that one of the highest ranking, closest confidants of the PM should never make comments like that except behind very closed doors. It's not a question of pleasing the US or anyone else - it's a question of acting appropriately in diplomatic situations.

That the Bush Administration may not have a very high view of Chretien is not surprising. But, we have never, not once, heard of any report of anyone in the Administration slamming Chretien. Instead, the President chose to make his feelings clear through other means - his first official visit was to Mexico and not Canada. The escalation of the softwood lumber issue has gone further than it ought to have and likely would have been more readily resolved if our respective leaders were a little closer. In the "war on terrorism" the biggest ally to the US seems to be Great Britain.

This is the way things should be played out on the world stage. Ms. Ducros' comment may well have been a personal expression of contempt, but in public life everything you say and do is indeed public. This is the price people pay for the public life they choose.

Canada is supposed to be the peacekeeper - we're the kinder more gentle more grounded version of Americans. Comments like that do not help us on the world stage. It's a poor reflection on our country and on our peoples.
 

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Slander is only slander if it can be proven to be wrong, IMO.

Prove it to be wrong.
 

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A tension "as old as Canadian policy"

1965: During a visit to Camp David, President Lydon Johnson was seen grabbing Prime Minister Lester B. Pearson by the lapels. "You don't come here to piss on my rug", Johnson was reported saying.

1983: At a news conference with Ronald Reagan, Pierre Trudeau called unnamed US officals "third-rate, third-level pipsqueaks who say I'm not allowed to participate in the peace process because we don't contribute enough to NATO."

more reading: www.nationalpost.com/search/site/story.asp?id=F6D6F513-9DE4-43A0-91B2-F4EBBCB724B0

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xarir said:


Canada is supposed to be the peacekeeper - we're the kinder more gentle more grounded version of Americans. Comments like that do not help us on the world stage. It's a poor reflection on our country and on our peoples.
Canada as the peacekeeper? Not with that under funded and irrelevant military.

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Mid Term Elections

Goober Mcfly said:
Slander is only slander if it can be proven to be wrong, IMO.

Prove it to be wrong.
Goober;

Mid term elections!

Bush will control the House, Senate and make hundreds of Judicial appointments. He is widely credited with making the difference on this historical victory. Not the actions of a moron.

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