California Democrats Could Guarantee Trump 2024 Win

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California Democrats Could Guarantee Trump 2024 Win

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California Democrats Could Guarantee Trump 2024 Win

SATURDAY, SEP 23, 2023 - 06:15 PM
Authored by John Seiler via The Epoch Times,
This is so funny. California Democrats are hatching a plot to keep former President Donald Trump off the state’s ballot next year.
But it could backfire and guarantee he wins.

Politico headlined, “California Dems consider unique approach to getting Trump off ballot: California lawmakers are urging AG Bonta to expedite court action against former president.”

The story:

“Nine California lawmakers wrote a letter to Attorney General Rob Bonta over the weekend, arguing that Trump isn’t eligible to be on the ballot for inciting an insurrection when a mob of his supporters attacked the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.
“The move, which comes amid several lawsuits to keep Trump off state ballots across the country, is unique because Bonta could use his standing as California’s top law enforcement officer to expedite a state court ruling on the matter. Should the effort succeed, California could be the first state to bump Trump off its ballot, even if the ruling is ultimately overturned.”

This is being debated around the country based on the 14th Amendment’s Section 3, which reads (please excuse a couple of medium-length quotes for context):

“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”

Trump’s actions on Jan. 6, 2021 supposedly made him the leader of an “insurrection.”

The best argument against that was advanced by former U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey in the Wall Street Journal:

“The use of the term ‘officer of the United States’ in other constitutional provisions shows that it refers only to appointed officials, not to elected ones. In U.S. v. Mouat (1888), the Supreme Court ruled that ‘unless a person in the service of the government ... holds his place by virtue of an appointment ... he is not, strictly speaking, an officer of the United States.’ Chief Justice John Roberts reiterated the point in Free Enterprise Fund v. Public Company Accounting Oversight Board (2010): ‘The people do not vote for the “Officers of the United States.”’”

The California State Capitol building in Sacramento, Calif., on April 18, 2022. (John Fredricks/The Epoch Times)

What if They Can Disqualify Trump?
Now, here’s where it gets interesting.

Hypothetically, what if Mr. Mukasey’s argument doesn’t hold up in the courts?

Then California and other states’ attorneys general and governors, or lawsuits by political groups, could throw Mr. Trump off the ballot.

Especially critical would be the swing states with Democratic governors: Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers, Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro, Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear, and North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper. Or Fulton County (Atlanta) District Attorney Fani Willis, already prosecuting Trump for allegedly interfering in the 2020 election, could do it.

But then, Republicans could do it in their swing states, throwing President Joe Biden off the ballot.

They could say his alleged bribes from Communist China disqualify him under the 14th amendment’s Section 3 wording for having “given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”

Republicans governors invoking that clause could include Glenn Youngkin of Virginia, Brian Kemp of Georgia, Kim Reynolds of Iowa, Joe Lombardo of Nevada, and Chris Sununu of New Hampshire.

It would be what in military parlance is called Mutual Assured Destruction.

If that happened, neither Mr. Trump nor Mr. Biden would reach the 270 electoral votes needed to win the presidency in the Electoral College.

Then what?

This combination of pictures created on October 22, 2020 shows President Donald Trump, left, and Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden during the final presidential debate at Belmont University in Nashville, Tenn., on Oct. 22, 2020. (Brendan Smialowski and Jim Watson/AFP via Getty Images)



Contingent Elections
Then we would have the fourth of what’s called a Contingent Election, although the phrase itself isn’t in the Constitution.
It means the matter is decided by the House of Representatives (or the Senate for vice presidents).
There have been three so far:

1. Thomas Jefferson beat Aaron Burr in 1800;
2. John Quincy Adams beat Andrew Jackson in 1825.
3. And in 1837 the vice presidential election was given to Richard Mentor Johnson over Francis Granger.

Under a Contingent Election in the House, all 435 members don’t get to vote. Rather, each state delegation gets one vote—50 votes total.
On Sept. 18 Canadian political writer Stephen Marche wrote an article for the left-wing Guardian titled, “Here’s the scary way Trump could win without the electoral or popular vote: In a ‘contingent election,’ he could lose the popular vote, electoral college and all his legal cases and still end up the legal US president.”
He calculated:

“State delegations in the House would favor Republicans as a matter of course. In the struggle for congressional delegates, Republicans would have 19 safe House delegations and the Democrats would have 14, as it stands, with more states leaning Republican than Democrat.”

Ha ha.
So California, by knocking Mr. Trump off the ballot, could guarantee he becomes president.
Again, none of this is likely to happen.
If any state tries to keep him off the ballot, the courts almost certainly would put him back on, possibly reasoning along the lines Mr. Mukasey detailed.
There’s one thing this whole escapade teaches us: A large number of California’s politicians hold in contempt the Constitution, democracy, and the people of the state they claim to represent.
In this train-wreck of a state, with housing, homelessness, drug addiction, schooling, budget, and countless other problems festering—don’t they have anything better to do?

 

[Darts]

If California moves any further left it would fall into the Pacific Ocean.

There's a reason why people call the U.S. west coast the left coast.

 

[Frankfooter]

If California moves any further left it would fall into the Pacific Ocean.

There's a reason why people call the U.S. west coast the left coast.

You really, really, really hate California, don't you darts?

 

[Addict2sex]

You really, really, really hate California, don't you darts?

Why don’t you move to California like LA or San Francisco? Since you really really love California!

 

[Frankfooter]

Why don’t you move to California like LA or San Francisco? Since you really really love California!

Because I'm Canadian.

 

[jalimon]

Because I'm Canadian.

me too and the california democrats are centered. Anyone who thinks they are left is sn idiots. Sorry buts that’s the way it is. Probably only you Frank here can understand that.

 

[Darts]

California shrinking.
California population continues decline, driven by lower immigration, fewer births and pandemic deaths - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

 

[Frankfooter]

California shrinking.
California population continues decline, driven by lower immigration, fewer births and pandemic deaths - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

Darts, can you read this thread and tell me what you think?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1664909701203611649

 

[Darts]

"When the one percent owns nearly everything, you can tax the shit out of the other 99% and still not make up the shortfall."

I like to see numbers.

What is the total tax paid by the so call 1%?
What is the total tax paid by the so call 99%?

Here are some stats in Canada. "However, 33% or 9 million Canadians pay no income tax at all23. The top 20% is likely paying 70% or more of all income taxes3."

 

[Frankfooter]

"When the one percent owns nearly everything, you can tax the shit out of the other 99% and still not make up the shortfall."

I like to see numbers.

What is the total tax paid by the so call 1%?
What is the total tax paid by the so call 99%?

Here are some stats in Canada. "However, 33% or 9 million Canadians pay no income tax at all23. The top 20% is likely paying 70% or more of all income taxes3."

That article uses Fraser Institute's 'tax simulator', so it puts out the numbers you're supposed to pay without deductions and isn't related to what people actually pay.
You understand the difference?

Same way Doctorow notes that in the US poorer people end up paying a way higher percent because they don't have the same right offs.

 

[silentkisser]

"When the one percent owns nearly everything, you can tax the shit out of the other 99% and still not make up the shortfall."

I like to see numbers.

What is the total tax paid by the so call 1%?
What is the total tax paid by the so call 99%?

Here are some stats in Canada. "However, 33% or 9 million Canadians pay no income tax at all23. The top 20% is likely paying 70% or more of all income taxes3."

The thing with targeting the 1% is they are the ones that can afford the best accountants and tax lawyers. And the way tax legislation is usually written, there is a wide area of interpretation, which means if the IRS or CRA close one loophole, they very likely open up a new one. Then there are all the legal deductions the ultra rich can make that we can only dream of. Hell, didn't Trump pass a deduction for super yachts or something? And let's not forget about corporations who pay a fraction of tax compared to the regular people...

And, let's face a fact here: If you're a billionaire, you can literally buy almost anything you want. A fair tax wouldn't bankrupt them, they'd still be ultra wealthy. But the inflow of that money could pay for better education, healthcare, policing. Things that would help everyone...And, let's face it, after you are worth a certain amount of money, all those zeros start to becoming meaningless. I mean, are they all saving up to top the Forbes list?

 

[richaceg]

me too and the california democrats are centered. Anyone who thinks they are left is sn idiots. Sorry buts that’s the way it is. Probably only you Frank here can understand that.

California is as left as any state can get...anybody who thinks not is a moron (am i doing it right with the name calling?)

 

[jalimon]

California is as left as any state can get...anybody who thinks not is a moron (am i doing it right with the name calling?)

You probably think the Liberals here in Canada a left?

 

[richaceg]

You probably think the Liberals here in Canada a left?

are we talking about Canada?

 

[Frankfooter]

California is as left as any state can get...anybody who thinks not is a moron (am i doing it right with the name calling?)

But they aren't as left as Canada.
Are you calling Canadians morons?

 

[mandrill]

Why don’t you move to California like LA or San Francisco? Since you really really love California!

That's a good idea, Addy. I should start a go-fund-me, so I can retire in Malibu or Venice Beach.

 

[mandrill]

California is as left as any state can get...anybody who thinks not is a moron (am i doing it right with the name calling?)

I think Ontario is actually further left than CA. America as a whole is pretty right wing, incl CA.

 

[jalimon]

are we talking about Canada?

Does not really matter. There is general misconception regarding that.

Moron or stupid people, and believe me there A LOT of them, tend to generally...
1. have no concept of second degree...
2. see everything as black or white without any notion of grey area...

This is why so many see democrats or liberals in canada as left!! That is just ridiculous.

Same for leftist extremist who see the consevator as far right... (Well before Trump that is because since Trump there is a tendency for that to happen...)

 

[Darts]

To quote the late great Jack Layton.

"Tax cuts don't benefit people who don't pay taxes."

"Raising taxes only hurts people who pay taxes."

 

[Valcazar]

I do like how the article just assumes that the Republicans will just make up an excuse to throw Biden off the ballot and it will work.