Bust Downtown Barrie
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http://www.thebarrieexaminer.com/2013/09/23/barrie-police-arrest-four-people-in-prostitution-sweep sorry guys i posted the wrong link this link is good !
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The street walker seen is pretty bleak though.. I haven't noticed many in Barrie, but what I have seen was scary.. The officer quoted probably isn't wrong with his crack comment..
I haven't heard of any girls being busted in hotels or what not here though.. And they certainly could if they wanted too, it's not like the ads are very discreet.
I did see a girl who said she had been busted recently, said they made an appointment with her, showed up, and booked her for prostitution. Wasn't in Barrie though..and she didn't say where.
Barrie-guy, a whole bunch of girls have been busted by the cops this year in Barrie hotels.
They seem to do this annual "street sweep" each September now too.
Terb question: Why aren't we supposed to talk about outdoor work on terb?
They seem to do this annual "street sweep" each September now too.
Terb question: Why aren't we supposed to talk about outdoor work on terb?
Well that's unfortunate.. I wonder why I haven't heard anything about it.. any reports of hotel stings where the men are the target?
I am not a big fan of street hookery, kind of risky, but WTF? All the missing children have been found? All the murders been solved? I guess it's the same cowards that hide behind a light pole or bag of garbage on the side of the road to fatten the govt wallet by ticketing people trying to get to work for drive 10km/h over their precious speed limit. BTW, street prostitution doesn't keep me from visiting downtown Barrie. Trust me, no matter what anyone says, these street girls NEVER bother children or the puritan families that claim they are victimized by these girls and their customers. I guess that 69 year old man they busted has been a real scourge to downtown Barrie, thankfully they took him off the streets, now life can return to normal (where's the eye rolling smiley??)
BTW, I know Madonna's selling points are her jugs and BJ skills, but that ass is hypnotic, a work of art. Madonna, you are smoking hot!!!
My first thoughts on the article is that it is retarded. All the whining about how bad it is for the downtown etc etc. Yet then girls are driven inside...be it their own homes, where they are subject to stalkers...or hotels. Either way they go they get busted anyway. Look at the incall/outcall sweep they did claiming to look for coersion into the business. Did they actually get the bad guys? Nope... but they did get some decent money in fines.
In-calls and massage are illegal under the bawdy house provision and everyone talks about those barrie-jay.
Why is it illegal to talk about having sex for money when it is legal to do? That's ridick!
They are charged with "communicating". That is stupid.
And don't assume that it's exploitative. Some people say all sex work is exploitative. I don't think that is even close to true.
Why is it illegal to talk about having sex for money when it is legal to do? That's ridick!
They are charged with "communicating". That is stupid.
And don't assume that it's exploitative. Some people say all sex work is exploitative. I don't think that is even close to true.
Incalls exist in a legal grey area. Street prostitution is clearly illegal.
We will have to agree to disagree in terms of the nature of street-level prostitution. The consensus opinion of people who work in the sex trade or with sex trade workers certainly is not inline with yours.
Incalls are 100% illegal. There is no grey area. Section 210 of the criminal code - Bawdy houses.
This law is being challenged but as of now it remains a crime. This is also a stupid law.
I know women who do escorting and street work. Do you? You are really stereotyping right now and you do not speak for sex workers. There are sex worker organizations you can call and get their views on this (maggies or spoc). They agree with what I am saying and that is why they are fighting these laws.
It is legal to have sex for money. It's not legal to talk about the transaction in public or to host the transaction. Outcalls are and always have been 100% legal and that is only if the escort is working completely alone.
I know the laws on this.
This law is being challenged but as of now it remains a crime. This is also a stupid law.
I know women who do escorting and street work. Do you? You are really stereotyping right now and you do not speak for sex workers. There are sex worker organizations you can call and get their views on this (maggies or spoc). They agree with what I am saying and that is why they are fighting these laws.
It is legal to have sex for money. It's not legal to talk about the transaction in public or to host the transaction. Outcalls are and always have been 100% legal and that is only if the escort is working completely alone.
I know the laws on this.
It is very much of a grey area, particularly in terms of non-permanent locations. Can you please provide any recent examples of found-in (210.2.b) or inmate of (210.2.a.) charges being laid for an independent working on her own in a hotel room? There are increased risks of charges if women share a room, but even those are extremely rare. Bawdy house laws are overwhelmingly used to target workers in body rubs and permanent in-call locations.
I would agree with you that the distinction on TERB is fairly arbitrary. A couple of local providers work out of their homes (or homes that are permanent locations). What they are doing is just as illegal as working the Streets, so it is odd that we can talk about one and not the other. You would have to ask the Mods for their thinking in that regard.
I have a close friend who currently escorts (not on the streets) and other sex trade workers who are acquaintances (one of whom worked the streets briefly in the early 00's). I've had two girlfriends who were involved in the industry (one when we were together, one before we were together). So, yeah, I know some women (and one man, actually) in the trade.
Do I know any current street-workers? Not that I'm aware of. The women I know/knew who worked the streets stopped many years ago. If anything, the situation for women who work the streets is MUCH more negative today than 10 or 20 years ago, and it is baffling that you are suggesting otherwise.
How? By suggesting that it is "generally exploitative" or by saying that we will have to "agree to disagree in terms of the nature of street-level prostitution"? Where is the stereotype? Saying that it is generally cold in November is not the same as saying every day in November is cold. Are you honestly suggesting that the majority of women who work the streets, particularly in a place like Barrie, are "in a good place"?
But you do?!? What? And when did I suggest that I did?
Wow. You're attempting to have an argument with me about things that I never said and using logical fallacies to do so!
At what point did I express any opinion, pro or against, regarding decriminalization of street work? In what way did I demean women who work the Streets?
Women who work the streets do so in a demonstrably riskier environment than other sex workers. They are more likely to be under the control/protection of a "handler". They are often at the margins of the industry and more vulnerable to exploitation and victimization. And, before you jump on me, there are obviously many examples of exploitation in the sex trade that take place behind closed doors. There is a serious problem with sex trafficking in our country both in terms of foreign and underage workers. These are scourges and the people who traffic these women / girls deserve the harshest penalties imaginable. Much of this takes place through in calls far removed from the Streets.
That isn't the point, though, as your question was why Street reviews are not allowed here. I answered your question, which has somehow put you on this tangent. You've bizarrely twisted the objectives of noble groups like Maggie's & SPOC (to enable all sex workers to ply their trade safely and with dignity) to argue that the Street Scene is a positive experience for sex workers. It isn't. Our laws don't help, and I agree that they should be changed to protect & empower women who choose to work the Streets. That doesn't change the reality of the Streets today.
It sounds like you have a friend or friends who do fine on the streets. That is excellent, and I honestly hope that it continues to be the case for them.
Stay frosty.
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I was in a hotel room a couple of years ago when the police arrived to remove everyone because the hotel itself called them and made a complaint about how the room was being used. Two young ladies and myself were escorted out. They were not refunded for the payment of the room for that day. The police said we should all consider ourselves lucky because they could have charged us all with bawdy house related charges. I know of 2 specific escorts who have been charged over the past 10 years in hotel rooms. I also know a couple others who were charged using a residence. Out of the 4 incidents, one story made the papers at the time. Most don't. Same with the massage parlour raids that never make the news and do actually happen.
The point that you don't think escort in hotels get charged is irrelevant. They do. It doesn't matter if it is rare or not. It is against the law as the law is written. It is clear. Not grey.
My primary issue with your response to me below:
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Me: Why aren't we supposed to talk about outdoor work on terb?
You: Because it is illegal and generally exploitative.
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....is the gross generalization. People say that all the time about sex work in general. It stigmatizes the work and the poeple doing it and has allowed these terrible laws to stand.
Escorts doing incalls and on the street often don't report bad clients because they are the ones who may end up being charged themselves because they broke these stupid laws.
I know 2 girls who currently work at agencies and also do street work on their own. They have their own places and are not exploited. Then there are the girls who do "car-calls" but book by phone. These people work independently.
People concluding that sex workers in general are exploited has caused many problems with not wanting further decriminalization. The more I know these different types of workers the more I see how so much of it is stereotypes that don't apply to many.
The point that you don't think escort in hotels get charged is irrelevant. They do. It doesn't matter if it is rare or not. It is against the law as the law is written. It is clear. Not grey.
My primary issue with your response to me below:
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Me: Why aren't we supposed to talk about outdoor work on terb?
You: Because it is illegal and generally exploitative.
___________________________________________
....is the gross generalization. People say that all the time about sex work in general. It stigmatizes the work and the poeple doing it and has allowed these terrible laws to stand.
Escorts doing incalls and on the street often don't report bad clients because they are the ones who may end up being charged themselves because they broke these stupid laws.
I know 2 girls who currently work at agencies and also do street work on their own. They have their own places and are not exploited. Then there are the girls who do "car-calls" but book by phone. These people work independently.
People concluding that sex workers in general are exploited has caused many problems with not wanting further decriminalization. The more I know these different types of workers the more I see how so much of it is stereotypes that don't apply to many.
I can attest to the fact that escort do get charged in hotel rooms.. a few weeks ago I wouldn't have thought they did, but as I said above.. I recently saw a lovely girl, 21 years old or so.. was at a hotel here in Barrie just for the night.. I guess I wasn't getting undressed fast enough, and she asked if I was a cop.. I reassured her I was not, and she let out a sigh of relief.. expressing "i dont want to go through that again".. I asked her what she meant, and she said she has recently been arrested.. she went on to explain someone booked an appointment with her via her backpage ad.. when they showed up to her hotel room they let her make the first move and then whipped out a badge informing her she was being arrested for prostitution.. Very sad.
On another note, it was a GREAT session.. I didn't get to do a review because the ad was gone by the next morning and so was she.. so I had nothing to reference, but if she ever returns i'll be first in line
On another note, it was a GREAT session.. I didn't get to do a review because the ad was gone by the next morning and so was she.. so I had nothing to reference, but if she ever returns i'll be first in line
The charge was likely bawdy house, not prostitution. There is no charge called prostitution.
They got 30 girls.
If any of you ladies who have had this police contact, would like to talk about it. I would like to know more.
No publicity again. That's why most people (bj) won't know about it.
They got 30 girls.
If any of you ladies who have had this police contact, would like to talk about it. I would like to know more.
No publicity again. That's why most people (bj) won't know about it.
