Broken Promises

duMaurierguy

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What a Shock...

that a politician breaks a campaign promise. Like the 'ol saying goes; "I don't mind getting screwed but, it'd be nice to be kissed first!" 'Nuff said.
 

Meesh

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Shall we add "A 20% cut in insurance rates"?

Well, here's 10%...if you want the other 10% you will have to reduce your services.

That 'other' 10% may mean a reduction in my bill, it is NOT a reduction in the RATE.
 

booboobear

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Cardinal Fang said:
What a concept! A politician that lies to get elected....
True and they wonder why only 35 % vote.

I find it funny that people are even surprised that the liberals
lied look at chretien's famous gst claim to drop it.

That's what people get for voting liberal
 

pervarino

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Oh...and PC was better? NOT!

The only reason they think they can get away with all this shit is because WE have not had a successful assassination (sp?)

Don't we have something like a vote of non-confidence to get assholes that don't keep promises out of power?

PERV
 

shredder

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Fibber!

Thanks Dalton...you only delayed the build of my new home on the Oak Ridges Moraine by six weeks. I was actually concerned it might take a year or so before you buckled.
 

Malibook

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I'm actually starting to like Dalton much more these days.
He is showing quite a bit of common sense.
I am relieved that he is not another reckless idiot like Bob Rae.

As for Hydro, what's wrong with the rates reflecting the actual cost of the service?
Ontario Hydro already has a massive debt.
We don't need to make it even more massive by selling electricity for less than it costs to produce.
 

Snake Pliskin

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booboobear said:
True and they wonder why only 35 % vote.
That is SOOOOOOOO TRUE!

You read all you can, watch debates, listen to TVads, all to help you make an informed decision. And then what happens?

They fuck you up the ass! No kisses. No lube. No warning. :(

P.S. Excuse me. This BS really P's me off!
 

The Doctor

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Malibook said:
I'm actually starting to like Dalton much more these days.
He is showing quite a bit of common sense.
I'm relieved he is not a reckless idiot like Bob Rae.

As for Hydro, what's wrong with the rates reflecting the actual cost of the service?
Ontario Hydro already has a massive debt.
We don't need to make it even more massive by selling electricity for less than it costs to produce.
I believe common sense and an open market for energy was what got the PCs booted out. Note: If I recall correctly the proceeds from the IPO were going to wipe out a lot of that debt :rolleyes:.

I can't believe this clown is trying to use the deficit to back out on everything. Did he really think we'd fall this!

Reckless idiot like Bob Rae...at least you knew what Bob was going to do and he was up front about it. You may not have liked it but you knew it was coming.
 

Rezdog

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The Doctor said:
Did he really think we'd fall this!
Obviously a lot of people did. By the way, I believe Bob Rae was the right man for the job at the wrong time. I also believe that his advisers sucked! And therefore, he got the boot.
 

bishop

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Any political party would of removed the 4.3 cents price freeze, any government would of bled to death. People were just niave to think that the subsidy for power could go on for much longer. The 4.7 cents is much more reflective of the going rate for electricity but still it falls short of exposing Ontarians to healthy market prices. 4.7 cents is dirt cheap for electricity, Since the Market deregulated in 2002 ontario has enjoyed the cheapest power prices in the Northeastern part of North America, if you live in New York city your electricty bill would be twice as much as they are now. But if you guys think life revolves around cheap electricy rates so you can max out your AC during the summer and leave your porch lights on during the day, then you should move to Quebec, they pratically give electricty away to residents for free. If you guys are pissed at the electricity price cap being raised then brace yourself because within a year or two the Price Cap will be removed entirely. This will surely happen because No new generation projects are being pursued in this artificially depressed electricity market, to attract private investment there has to be a healthy financial incentive. You gus might think, hell why doesn't the government just build more power plants so it can keep the price Cap? To build a power plant that can power 500 houses would cost $1 million dollars, thats 2000 per household. Do people really want to shell out big bucks to build a new power plant onlly to have government workers run it? Quite frankly the government does not know anything about electricity, they were correct in the first place to privatize the electricity market, and pull themselves out of an industry it has no knowledge of.

Seriously if you guys want to lower your bill then just use less electricity, conservation is the best solution. Everyone wins, you get lower bills, the enviroment wins and less of your tax dollars go to subsidizing electricity rates. People love to blame others, "oh the government is raising my electricity bill" no one ever says "oh the government is raising the electricity rate, and my bill is going higher because I am such a sloth and wish to leave the porch lights on during the day, have 3 freezers running when really all I need is 1". People should not blame the government for raising prices what they should blame the government for is not ensuring that a proper energy conservatin program was in place before privatizing the electricity market. If you are concerned about your bill call up your MPP and ask him what the Ontario government plans to do about energy conservation? The government is so occupied with its head up its arse that they have no clue what to do about energy conservation. More insulation and low power lights bulbs will help, but people need a proactive type of solution so that they conciously participate in the decision as to what this months electricity bill will be. Right now even if people wanted to lower theirs bills it is very challenging for 2 reasons;

1: no one knows what the current rate of electricity is, believe it or not the price of electricty fluctuates on a 5 minute basis, people need to know when prices are high so that they can conserve at that moment and shift their energy usage patterns to times when electricity prices are low.

2: even if you did shift your energy usage patterns from times of high prices to times of lower prices, the net financial benefit to you is insignificant because 99% of residents are charge the average price of electricity for that month regardless of when they used electricity. This is because the meter at your house only records how much power was used and not when the power was used.

As you can see I can write a whole essay on this subject because I am in the piower industry and I see all the stuff that is happening. In the end Ontarians have to push the government to develop a concrete energy conservation initative. Artificial price Caps will only make things worse in the long run.
 

Pyro

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Don't be silly...

The Doctor said:
I can't believe this clown is trying to use the deficit to back out on everything.
Give me a break! The "promises" were based on the PC claim that the books were balanced. Now that we know how blatantly fraudulent Eves' claims were, it only makes sense for McGuinty to adapt his plans to the resources available.

Let's not forget that a very important aspect of good leadership is the ability to exercise good judgement. This sometimes means adjusting plans to accommodate new information and altered circumstances.

It's sometimes hard for us to think realistically in billion-dollar terms since (for most of us, anyway) there is no parallel for these sums in our everyday lives. So let's think of an example that may more easily apply to some of our lives:

Let's say you're planning a week-long vacation to (I don't know) Cuba and you've heard that you can get an SP there for $20 a night. You take $200 out of the bank and "promise" yourself that you'll spend every night with a different girl and have $60 left over to buy rum and cigars. Then, when you actually arrive in Cuba, you find out that you need to pay a $25 exit tax; this cuts into your planned budget. Further, when you meet the SPs, they are charging $40 an hour instead of $20 a night! Obviously, you will have to change your plans or your budget and, in effect, break your promise to yourself.

This is essentially what happened in the last election. The Liberal campaign platform was based on the assumption that the books were either balanced (as Evil Ernie claimed) or, at least, only in the red by a couple of billion. When it turned out that the budget for 2003 was not even close to balanced (nor were previous years, for that matter) and the deficit for this year alone was closer to $5 billion, it makes sense that the plans have to change...despite the fact that it would be nice if they didn't have to.

If you disagree with the cost-saving choices the government has made, feel free to offer alternatives...that would be fair. But it is foolish to just sit there and complain of "broken promises" without offering a reasonable alternative.

Pyro the (Pissed off) Pig.
 

Fortunato

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Re: Don't be silly...

Pyro said:
Give me a break! The "promises" were based on the PC claim that the books were balanced.
Mr. Pyro,

Not picking sides (I liken choosing politicians to choosing venerial diseases... sure, some may be better than others, yet...), but this blatantly is not true. Mr. McGuinty claimed all throughout the campaign - and emphatically voiced during the debates - that he knew about the province's true financial picture (including a deficit of 5 - 6 billion of dollars), and that his plans/promises took those into account. I heard him say it himself ad nauseum - usually in the form of a demand for Mr. Eves to "come clean" (like any of them ever could).

Difficult decisions need to be made, yes. And choices must be made, for certain (I'll let others debate the wisdom of the choices made). But for "all of his changes in position" (read: "lies", by some), they certainly cannot be sloughed off as being due to a "financial blindside". No, I'm afraid it's just politics as usual, and once again we all get to go to "the clinic"....

With you in hoping for the best during Dalton's tenure (and a full recovery with medication),

F.
 

Quest4Less

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politicians = scum

If you compare liberals to p.c.'s you will find that the vast majority of broken promises came from the liberal side. Not to mention the fact that the liberals are always throwing money away (or to their friends at our expense). For example... the HRDC billion dollar "ooops, where did it go", the whole gun registry fiasco (hey what's another billion give or take).

When it comes to promises there are very few (any?) completely honest politicians out there.... but the liberals are by far the worst.
 
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