So much for the element of surprise. Does the police need to worry about a mole in their department a la Infernal Affairs?
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/200492
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/200492
Blogger leaked order to raid Hells Angels
- Thread starter Galahad
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this link will take you to the correct article cited in the above post.
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/200536
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/200536
it looks like the order was registered with the land titles office and anyone with access could have gotten the pdf file as most properties are now registered electronically.
Toronto Star says there are five websites where it was posted. This is one of them:
http://www.torontofokus.com/
Toronto Star says there are five websites where it was posted. This is one of them:
http://www.torontofokus.com/
The HA does make a valid point about Ontario becoming a police state. With laws that allow the state to seize property & assets prior to any charges being laid & without a trial, I have to side with the HA.
The Hells Angels, and groups like them, are a huge threat to our democracy. They undermine democratic institutions, they corrupt the police, and generally are like an insidious cancer on our social systems.
I have no doubt that there are corrupt police, but I am pretty sure that the Hells Angels are a key corrupting agent. I bet this Niagara police officer was on the HA payroll and I bet he's not the only one.
Organized crime groups like the HA are a key reason why we have police corruption, why the courts don't work, why our political system is under attack--their backroom payoffs, deals, etc., are a threat to our democracy. If we don't deal with them, they'll interfere with us. They are literally attacking and undermining our system of justice.
Don't believe it? Just imagine you had a dispute with your neighbour--say he built a fence on your side of the property line, or he was running a business that competed with yours and you suspected he was paying bribes to steal your customers away. Normally you have recourse to the courts and the police to resolve this sort of thing.
Now imagine your neighbour is HA. You'd be a little worried about bringing a legal complaint against him wouldn't you? You'd worry the HA would payoff the police, undermine the courts, and maybe threaten you with violence.
We have to cut cancers like that out if we are going to remain an open, free, democratic society.
I have no doubt that there are corrupt police, but I am pretty sure that the Hells Angels are a key corrupting agent. I bet this Niagara police officer was on the HA payroll and I bet he's not the only one.
Organized crime groups like the HA are a key reason why we have police corruption, why the courts don't work, why our political system is under attack--their backroom payoffs, deals, etc., are a threat to our democracy. If we don't deal with them, they'll interfere with us. They are literally attacking and undermining our system of justice.
Don't believe it? Just imagine you had a dispute with your neighbour--say he built a fence on your side of the property line, or he was running a business that competed with yours and you suspected he was paying bribes to steal your customers away. Normally you have recourse to the courts and the police to resolve this sort of thing.
Now imagine your neighbour is HA. You'd be a little worried about bringing a legal complaint against him wouldn't you? You'd worry the HA would payoff the police, undermine the courts, and maybe threaten you with violence.
We have to cut cancers like that out if we are going to remain an open, free, democratic society.
No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying what I said, and personally, I'd rather have a "fucking cop" for a neighbour. A "fucking cop" isn't an assault on a nation that I've come to like. Organized crime groups that systematicly work to undermine the government need to be opposed. The cops are an arm of the state, and imperfect at it is, Canada is a pretty fucking good state. I don't want to see our system destroyed by the likes of HA, and I'm glad the "fucking cops" are finally doing something about it. They should do more.Sheik said:
Your "fucking cops" attitude is telling.
Wow, this is a new low, even for you. I know people on both sides of the fence, and you are nuts. The Hells Angels deal in murder, extortion, and drugs. This is not hypothetical. However, they won't tell you those stories on their propoganda site. Why you continue this bullshit line is beyond me, but you come off as one hell of a poser.Sheik said:
Sheik said:
I agree, I would rather have the HA as my neighbour than a cop. It makes for a safer neighbourhood.
Sheik, you piss of a "bad" cop and he will seriously hassle you. You piss of a "bad" HA and he will most likely break your legs. I would much rather take a chance pissing off the police than pissing of HA's.
HA is a criminal organisation - period - full stop.
They deal in drugs, murder, theft..... etc
No, not all members commit these crimes (they do have some "honest" fronts).
No, not all members are the "bad ass" type portrayed on t.v. - I've met some that were reasonably nice people.
BUT - being part of that group means that you are aiding them in some way shape or form.
It's like Great Bear said - you piss off a bad HA and you could end up dead (and your family too). You piss off a "bad" cop and you get hassled - you end up gathering some evidence, lawyering up, and you sue for millions.
They deal in drugs, murder, theft..... etc
No, not all members commit these crimes (they do have some "honest" fronts).
No, not all members are the "bad ass" type portrayed on t.v. - I've met some that were reasonably nice people.
BUT - being part of that group means that you are aiding them in some way shape or form.
It's like Great Bear said - you piss off a bad HA and you could end up dead (and your family too). You piss off a "bad" cop and you get hassled - you end up gathering some evidence, lawyering up, and you sue for millions.
Yes, there are lots of bad cops- the backwater sherrif's department in the South is full of them, as is the LAPD and the NYPD and of course RCMP, OPP and all other N.American police departments.Sheik said:
However, a police force is not a corrupting entity despite universally present bad cops. That's an accepted universal fact.
So question - in your mind, is it a similarly accepted universal fact that the Hell's Angels are a criminal organization?
Drop the "bad cops" bit - do you consider the Hell's Angels a criminal organization or not?
Well, thanks for the clarification (on not seeing them as a criminal enterprise).
However, there's 2 things:
1. Corrupt LE and their abuse of power - when found out, to be investigated and prosecuted by their own kind. Protected by their own kind too but when the light shines down, their own kind have to/will take them out.
2. A rogue group of bikers - multiple RICO indictments, federal investigations, declared criminal organization in Canada. Sorta like the Arabs - claim to be peaceful but never give up their bad ones. But public PR machine keeps spinning to put forth a positive face.
With all due respect, I think what you are doing here is indulging in a logical fallacy - the red herring kind.
However, there's 2 things:
1. Corrupt LE and their abuse of power - when found out, to be investigated and prosecuted by their own kind. Protected by their own kind too but when the light shines down, their own kind have to/will take them out.
2. A rogue group of bikers - multiple RICO indictments, federal investigations, declared criminal organization in Canada. Sorta like the Arabs - claim to be peaceful but never give up their bad ones. But public PR machine keeps spinning to put forth a positive face.
With all due respect, I think what you are doing here is indulging in a logical fallacy - the red herring kind.
The HAs get caught with a shitload of date rape drugs and some people are still railing about how much worse the cops are. 
Well, from the very article you cited:
"The drug is often represented as a date rape drug, much in the same way as alcohol and Rohypnol."
and
"GHB has been used in some verified cases of drug related sexual assault, usually when the victim is already intoxicated with alcohol and thus might be less likely to notice a strange taste to their drink."
"The drug is often represented as a date rape drug, much in the same way as alcohol and Rohypnol."
and
"GHB has been used in some verified cases of drug related sexual assault, usually when the victim is already intoxicated with alcohol and thus might be less likely to notice a strange taste to their drink."
Maybe. But on a relative basis, more Hells Angels have.Sheik said:
C'mon Sheik, you're not foolin' anybody. We all know you have a love-on for the Hells Angels. Your comments are becoming more and more ridiculous.
When somebody is advocating the Hells Angels as being better human beings than police officers, I'll let you draw your own conclusions regarding credibility.
