Biden's Plan to Seize Frozen Russian Assets, Push Zelenskiy

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Zelensky: Don't Delay With Using Frozen Russian Assets to Support Ukraine
Jan 06, 2024

Writing on his X account, Ukraine’s president Volodymyr Zelensky has published the following appeal:

Russian assets currently frozen abroad total around $300 billion. They must be put to use in support of Ukraine.

This is a historic opportunity to make the terrorist state pay for its terror. The Russian elite and leadership do not care about human lives, but they do care about money above all else.

For them, losing assets will be the most painful loss. They will sense the true strength of the international community and see that the world is stronger than terror.

The decision to use frozen Russian assets to support Ukraine will be an entirely just and legitimate response to Russia's aggression against Ukraine. It will send the right message to all would-be aggressors around the world: attacking another state does not pay off; it makes the aggressor pay.

I encourage partners to move quickly on relevant legal frameworks. This year, we must achieve tangible progress toward using frozen Russian assets for the benefit of Ukraine. We firmly rely on G7 leadership on this matter.

 

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Hmmm...according to a Republican congressman the Russians have been compromising other congressmen...
He's been saying this since last month, right?
Maybe one day he will provide some backing to the claims, but right now it sounds a lot like Madison Cawthorn and his whole "sex orgies and cocaine" thing.

It is certainly possible, but with no proof other than a general belief in the fact some of these people are scuzzy.
 

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He's been saying this since last month, right?
Maybe one day he will provide some backing to the claims, but right now it sounds a lot like Madison Cawthorn and his whole "sex orgies and cocaine" thing.

It is certainly possible, but with no proof other than a general belief in the fact some of these people are scuzzy.
Since when do republicans require proof?
 

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He's been saying this since last month, right?
Maybe one day he will provide some backing to the claims, but right now it sounds a lot like Madison Cawthorn and his whole "sex orgies and cocaine" thing.

It is certainly possible, but with no proof other than a general belief in the fact some of these people are scuzzy.
When the call comes from inside the house...moreover, it is standard Russian trade craft. After all McCarthy himself said on tape that he believed Putin paid Rohrbacher and Trump.
However, I agree if he's a real patriot he should bring the receipts. Maybe they're just doing garden variety wife-cheating.
But it is clear the Russians have worked hard on getting into the Republican party. They had a spy sleep her way up the NRA, for example. Feted Michael Flynn, for example. Reached out to the Trump campaign to discuss how putin can help. To set up a server to communicate directly to Russians outside of USA counterintelligence. To proclaim the Russians provide their financing. To have every member of the campaign lie about being in contact with Russians. Off the top of my head.
 
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When the call comes from inside the house...
That does carry more weight.


After all McCarthy himself said on tape that he believed Putin paid Rohrbacher and Trump.
I remember.

But it is clear the Russians have worked hard on getting into the Republican party. They had a spy sleep her way up the NRA, for example. Feted Michael Flynn, for example. Reached out to the Trump campaign to discuss how putin can help. To set up a server to communicate directly to Russians outside of USA counterintelligence. To proclaim the Russians provide their financing. To have every member of the campaign lie about being in contact with Russians. Off the top of my head.
I'm sure they have worked very hard getting into all political parties of any note in the US.
The track record with the GOP is pretty stark, though, as you say.
 

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That does carry more weight.




I remember.



I'm sure they have worked very hard getting into all political parties of any note in the US.
The track record with the GOP is pretty stark, though, as you say.
Yes the Russians will get in any way they can (green party/Jill stein also feted).
It seems all the Putin worship on Fox during the Obama years...cause or effect? But, it exists.
Those fraudsters posting crap for clicks tried both parties in 2016 but found it was more lucrative on the right.
In the 50s, 60s, 70s, the Russian commies got much more traction with the democrats. E.g., "the CIA selling Crack cocaine in LA" was put out by a number of D congress people, but it was Russian disinformation.
 
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Why should the two be mutually exclusive?
One measure of America's success in the Ukraine proxy war is
the amount of money washed into the military industrial complex.
So yes the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive. It is however
more economical to make Putin rather than U.S. taxpayers foot the bill
for expenses on military aid to Ukraine. So one of the two options
is more desirable.
 

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One measure of America's success in the Ukraine proxy war is
the amount of money washed into the military industrial complex.
So yes the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive. It is however
more economical to make Putin rather than U.S. taxpayers foot the bill
for expenses on military aid to Ukraine. So one of the two options
is more desirable.
It will just be a tax on the companies that used to operate in Russia. Naturally, if EU/USA confiscates Russian assets in the EU, Russia will confiscate the assets of EU/USA in Russia.

Russia has now overtaken Germany as the 5th largest economy.
 

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It will just be a tax on the companies that used to operate in Russia. Naturally, if EU/USA confiscates Russian assets in the EU, Russia will confiscate the assets of EU/USA in Russia.

Russia has now overtaken Germany as the 5th largest economy.
Russia about the size of Canada. Germany GDP twice that of Russia in 2022. 2023 Russia down to 11th.
 
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Source: World Bank

Table 1: GDP, PPP, current dollars, 2022

RankCountryGDP, PPP, current international dollars, 2022 (trillions)
1China30.33
2United States25.46
3India11.87
4Japan5.70
5Russia5.33
6Germany5.31
7Indonesia4.04
8Brazil3.84
9France3.77
10United Kingdom3.66
 

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One measure of America's success in the Ukraine proxy war is
the amount of money washed into the military industrial complex.
So yes the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive. It is however
more economical to make Putin rather than U.S. taxpayers foot the bill
for expenses on military aid to Ukraine. So one of the two options
is more desirable.
First I do not believe that it is a proxy war. The US and European countries are assisting an ally against aggression.

Of course it would be best if Putin paid but using seized funds will never be enough. As well It is kind of a pay now or pay later deal. If the US stops its aid and Putin rolls over Ukraine it will not be long until the US and perhaps NATO are using their resources and likely military directly.
 
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