Being Cautious - Asian SP "Businesses" and Human Trafficking

[Jack_attack]

Hey all,

I think we're all very familiar with those generic BP ads filled with a multitude of Asian ladies that are all just a little too good looking to be true. I've read reviews from folks who go to visit these place and it always seems to be the same story - "Old asian lady who doesn't speak english opens the door. There are several rooms with doors closed and noises coming from each. The old lady ushers me into what looks like a repurposed broom closet with a bed roll and pillow and introduces me to a lady I'm pretty sure isn't the one I asked for. The session is good except that there's no emotion."

I've gotta ask - are these things fronts for human trafficking/sex slavery? Am I pushing TERB lines here by asking? If so, by all means delete the thread.

I mean, I've read plenty of articles talking about Toronto and Canada's huge trafficking problem, but the only evidence I've ever maybe heard of are these asian providers all stuffed in to one apartment. So as a general rule, I stay the hell away. That's not something I want to be associated with, even if nobody ever knew about it but me.

Does anybody think I'm incorrect in my assumption, here?

 

[canada-man]

yes you are incorrect in your assumption

 

[bigshot]

I agree 100%. You can easily spot these operations by the nature of their advertising and I will not be found supporting any of these guys. We all have an obligation to ensure that the women we see do not fall into the Human Trafficking area. I actually had this very conversation with Erotic Jewel (see my recent post) who agreed that guys who support these operations need to wake up.

I know that this can be easier said than done, but don't be fooled by the BP ads stating "fresh new girls" and the like...

 

[whitewaterguy]

I think it would be foolish to assume that the human trafficking elements are exclusive to dingy Backpage ads/operations...
If you think you are avoiding those situations by supporting only businesses with fancier websites, and more upscale condos...then your turning a blind eye. Keep the radar on at all times...even when your being pampered in posh environs

 

[michael_to29]

Watch, Sex. My British Job on Netflix for an idea what it is like. An Asian journalist goes undercover with a hiddenncamera to work for one of these places.

 

[Wild Wiglin Willie]

Any human trafficking is shut down now, you have to be a fool to still do it. I am not saying it will not come back, but it will not in the open like it was before. If any client or SP sees something that looks suspicious, they should report it.

 

[twizz]

There is definitely human trafficking that goes on.

 

[Titalian]

Hey all,

I think we're all very familiar with those generic BP ads filled with a multitude of Asian ladies that are all just a little too good looking to be true. I've read reviews from folks who go to visit these place and it always seems to be the same story - "Old asian lady who doesn't speak english opens the door. There are several rooms with doors closed and noises coming from each. The old lady ushers me into what looks like a repurposed broom closet with a bed roll and pillow and introduces me to a lady I'm pretty sure isn't the one I asked for. The session is good except that there's no emotion."

I've gotta ask - are these things fronts for human trafficking/sex slavery? Am I pushing TERB lines here by asking? If so, by all means delete the thread.

I mean, I've read plenty of articles talking about Toronto and Canada's huge trafficking problem, but the only evidence I've ever maybe heard of are these asian providers all stuffed in to one apartment. So as a general rule, I stay the hell away. That's not something I want to be associated with, even if nobody ever knew about it but me.

Does anybody think I'm incorrect in my assumption, here?

I agree with this, I mean where are all these Asian girls coming from?
They own three quarters of BP especially after hours.
This is one big reason, why I stick with indies.

 

[wilbur]

I agree with this, I mean where are all these Asian girls coming from?
They own three quarters of BP especially after hours.
This is one big reason, why I stick with indies.

There are now over 1 million Chinese people in Canada. More people (300,000) now travel by air to Canada from China than from Germany, pushing them out of 3rd place last year. So you want to know where these people you mention come from? From those born here, to immigrants and naturalized people, to students on student visas trying to make ends meet, to.... you guessed it: people on tourist visas.

Be careful about conflating trafficking with coercion. They are two different things. A trafficker moves goods and persons illicitly for profit; people being trafficked more often than not actually want to be brought here, the same as, for example, Mexican migrant workers who want to cross over into the US. There are over 4 million prostitutes in China, and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to force people to come here against their will, whereas there is a huge pool of people willing to come over here to make multiple times what they make there, and where Canadian clients are a darn more nicer than what they have to deal with over there.The overwhelming number of people in this business are in it out of their own volition, primarily for financial gain.... Unless you believe the radical feminist claptrap that all forms of prostitution are violence against women due to male patriarchal gender oppression, even if they don't realise it themselves.

As for the alleged backroom dungeons where Asian women are beaten and chained to their beds when they are not being raped, tell me who in their right mind would want to partake in this and risk being extorted and beaten by the associated gangs and underworld criminals, when you can just walk into any one of your ordinary run of the mill MP's in Scarborough and meet a bright and friendly attendant who can otherwise walk out onto the street at any time she wishes, and where bylaw enforcement officers and police can just about walk in at any time to conduct investigations? Police have conducted widespread and extensive investigations in the past, with the presumption that most prostitutes were being coerced, beaten and robbed of their earnings; but there have benn extremely few arrests and prosecutions...... because the conflation is just that: conflation.

 

[whitewaterguy]

..........The overwhelming number of people in this business are in it out of their own volition, primarily for financial gain.....

What's your source for this....? ,link....?

 

[whitewaterguy]

What I find amazing about all the victims of "human trafficking" is the amount of iPhones, iPads, Chanel bags, designer clothes and expensive jewelry, etc.....that they have . Oh don't forget the thousands and thousands of dollars that they make each week to support a lifestyle that many of us wish we could afford. Personally I wouldn't do what they do but don't get confused with a choice to come to Canada to earn thousands and thousands of dollars (even hundreds of thousands of dollars) in a short period of time and being victims of human trafficking. Yes there are probably Asian woman who are "forced" into the sex trade but this happens with woman of all races. If we are to stereotype, then I would say that non Asian sex trade workers are exploited by their boyfriends/spouses so that they can support their drug habit. But hey, because they are non Asian,they are not victims of human trafficking, just victims of being involved with a controlling and abusive individual. Hmmmmmmm, I wonder who is in a worse situation.

Too assume that a decision made by an agency Asian woman is any different to a non Asian woman who work in agencies is different, is extremely shortsighted and ridiculous. The stereotypes that I would accept, among others, about Asian woman who enter the sex trade industry are:

1. They need to make money fast as they owe someone money due to a gambling problem
2. They want to buy expensive cars, designer clothes and purses
3. They need the money to buy real estate back in China/Hong Kong/Korea
4. To take care of family back home.

Yes, I am sure some Asian woman may be forced into the sex industry but this is not exclusive to them. And keep this in mind, if you ever have a chance to speak with any of these woman, they are usually over 30 and it is quite clear why they are here and it is not because they are victims of human trafficking. They are here to make money fast, very fast.

I got to know a young Asian lady via an incall agency well known to and frequented by members here

At the end of one appointment, she pulled out her bank statement and showed me how she had been saving her earnings. There was around $1800.00 in the account. She had been here three months. I was flabbergasted. Much like migrant workers, after the managers deduct rent, board and incidentals, workers are left with a pittance

On another occasion, with a different outfit, I arranged an overniter with a lady. It cost me $1200.00. I asked the sp how much she was earning out of the deal......$400.00

On 1 hour, $200.00 appointments, the sp was receiving $70.00, also Asian

Of course....the managers who I Also know and have met, are usually driving BMW or Audi SUVs

 

[Titalian]

What I find amazing about all the victims of "human trafficking" is the amount of iPhones, iPads, Chanel bags, designer clothes and expensive jewelry, etc.....that they have . Oh don't forget the thousands and thousands of dollars that they make each week to support a lifestyle that many of us wish we could afford. Personally I wouldn't do what they do but don't get confused with a choice to come to Canada to earn thousands and thousands of dollars (even hundreds of thousands of dollars) in a short period of time and being victims of human trafficking. Yes there are probably Asian woman who are "forced" into the sex trade but this happens with woman of all races. If we are to stereotype, then I would say that non Asian sex trade workers are exploited by their boyfriends/spouses so that they can support their drug habit. But hey, because they are non Asian,they are not victims of human trafficking, just victims of being involved with a controlling and abusive individual. Hmmmmmmm, I wonder who is in a worse situation.

Too assume that a decision made by an agency Asian woman is any different to a non Asian woman who work in agencies is different, is extremely shortsighted and ridiculous. The stereotypes that I would accept, among others, about Asian woman who enter the sex trade industry are:

1. They need to make money fast as they owe someone money due to a gambling problem
2. They want to buy expensive cars, designer clothes and purses
3. They need the money to buy real estate back in China/Hong Kong/Korea
4. To take care of family back home.

Yes, I am sure some Asian woman may be forced into the sex industry but this is not exclusive to them. And keep this in mind, if you ever have a chance to speak with any of these woman, they are usually over 30 and it is quite clear why they are here and it is not because they are victims of human trafficking. They are here to make money fast, very fast.

Actually this is totally wrong. Most of them want to send the money back home, to the ones they love.

 

[asian_sampler]

I got to know a young Asian lady via an incall agency well known to and frequented by members here

At the end of one appointment, she pulled out her bank statement and showed me how she had been saving her earnings. There was around $1800.00 in the account. She had been here three months. I was flabbergasted. Much like migrant workers, after the managers deduct rent, board and incidentals, workers are left with a pittance

On another occasion, with a different outfit, I arranged an overniter with a lady. It cost me $1200.00. I asked the sp how much she was earning out of the deal......$400.00

On 1 hour, $200.00 appointments, the sp was receiving $70.00, also Asian

Of course....the managers who I Also know and have met, are usually driving BMW or Audi SUVs

Kinda makes me wonder if I am being trafficked as this kinda sounds like the set up where I work. I bring in $500,000 a year in business but only see about $60,000 of it in my pocket and then the tax man still has to get his share of the pie. My boss doesn't do anything and he drives a Tesla and I drive a Honda

* for the record I DO NOT support human trafficking

 

[asuran]

Also everything you put in the bank acct, the tax man will be able to follow.
I'm sure what whitewaterguy saw was only partial of what she actually makes.

But to be honest, why would anyone show anyone (in this case a client) their personal bank acct statement. I don't even show my best bud my acct statements.
Maybe she has a play?

 

[wilbur]

What's your source for this....? ,link....?

For starters, have a look at the Ontario Superior Court's Madame Justice Himel's judgement at the trial of Bedford vs Canada. She totally debunks the notions concerning the perceived widespread exploitation of sex-workers. It took her a full year to write her judgement.

Second, look at the results the cops have when they conduct widespread sweeps of incall and outcall workers, posing as clients. There are very few cases of pimping or exploitation.

 

[wilbur]

Kinda makes me wonder if I am being trafficked as this kinda sounds like the set up where I work. I bring in $500,000 a year in business but only see about $60,000 of it in my pocket and then the tax man still has to get his share of the pie. My boss doesn't do anything and he drives a Tesla and I drive a Honda

* for the record I DO NOT support human trafficking

How do you define human trafficking?

 

[wilbur]

Actually this is totally wrong. Most of them want to send the money back home, to the ones they love.

I met one who wanted to start a hair dressing/manicuring business back home. Another one who wanted to buy a house (condo) in her home town. It pays a hell of a lot more here than in China, so I find it hard to imagine that anybody has to be forced to come here. Hell, a few see this as a chance to stay here.

Most sex-workers in Hong-Kong are from the mainland. There are quite a few who are permanent residents, but most show up on 1 to 4 week tourist visas. They come from all parts of China, and then come in by bus from Shenzhen and Guangzhou. It appears that they are set up by Triads, such as walk-ups they rent and web site fees; by definition, this is trafficking. But they are definitely not coerced into working there. They make as much as they can, then leave and go back to their home towns in China when their visas expire. There are no shortages of volunteers. They typically make half as much as over here. For a lot of these women, doing this sort of job is way much better than working in a factory, or staying behind on the farm slopping pigs at 5 in the morning or hand milking cows half the day.

 

[sashimi]

Agree that these Asian SPs would like to send money home BUT don't be naive that they will send home lots even frequently. Otherwise there would be lots of suspicion from home folks how they gotten the money if they are studying and/ or working part time as cashiers or something similar! Years ago some entered and later claimed refugee status and their cases take years to be reviewed and meanwhile they work as SPs. I think this loophole has probably being tightened.

 

[Firestick]

It's interesting to read how you guys seem to have it all pegged down.

Not all are in the same situation and not all are doing the same. No one knows everything about everything.

 

[asian_sampler]

How do you define human trafficking?

Not trying to sound cynical or all negative here but the average working man/woman is just a modern day slave in some form or another.