Avro Arrow found!

SchlongConery

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Oh wow!

And here I thought they were all destroyed....

Maybe you might want to edit your clickbait title to accurately reflect that it was a scale MODEL of the Avro Arrow that was found in Lake Ontario.
 

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Oh wow!

And here I thought they were all destroyed....

Maybe you might want to edit your clickbait title to accurately reflect that it was a scale MODEL of the Avro Arrow that was found in Lake Ontario.
I was going to say the same thing.

When I heard they were looking for the 3 meter long models, I never thought they'd actually find one. Talk about a needle in a hay stack. Very cool indeed!
 

Insidious Von

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The Avro Arrow is the reason why the Conservatives spent 20 of the following 21 years in opposition.
 

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As a Canadian, I don't like the decision.

But does anybody actually think Canada could have competed with the US in that market,...???

Now of coarse it could have been a great money pit for taxes.
 

Insidious Von

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But does anybody actually think Canada could have competed with the US in that market,...??? Now of coarse it could have been a great money pit for taxes.
You should consider parking that self-defeating Canadian inferiority complex.

After WW II, Canada was a world leader in science and technology, we could compete with anybody. The Americans bought the Avro engineers into their aerospace projects. It was a monstrously bad decision.

To add insult to injury, Diefenbaker also put a stop to South European immigration to Canada - that worked out well for the Conservatives.
 

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You should consider parking that self-defeating Canadian inferiority complex.

After WW II, Canada was a world leader in science and technology, we could compete with anybody. The Americans bought the Avro engineers into their aerospace projects. It was a monstrously bad decision.

To add insult to injury, Diefenbaker also put a stop to South European immigration to Canada - that worked out well for the Conservatives.
Facing reality is not a "self-defeating Canadian inferiority complex",... you should try it some time.

Are you still claiming that Canada could have competed with the US, in that market,...???

And just what the hell has immigration from South Europe got to do with the Arrow,...You are the one who seems to have an inferiority complex.
 

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Despite whether Canada could compete in the market, why have all traces destroyed?
I can only assume that those in the position, out side of the government, to make that decision,... were pissed, and didn't want it given to the US.
 

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Canada is struggling to field a 737 competitor, in 2017. That should tell you something.
 

james t kirk

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We need to design and build our own fighters.

Enough with the inferior American shit on the market.

The F35 is a dog. A complete piece of shit that the Russians can shoot down like fish in a barrel.

No matter what we do, it's going to be a boondoggle. So it might as well be our boondoggle. At least the money will go to Canadians and not Americans.

Call it the Arrow II
 

explorerzip

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As a Canadian, I don't like the decision.

But does anybody actually think Canada could have competed with the US in that market,...???

Now of coarse it could have been a great money pit for taxes.
It's impossible to tell what could have happened. Maybe Avro could have been Canada's Boeing, maybe not. Maybe Blackberry could have dominated the smartphone market, maybe not.
 

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Despite whether Canada could compete in the market, why have all traces destroyed?
I offer up two guesses:

1) It was clearly the most advanced fighter at the time - Americans wanted to bury it to maintain the superiority of their fighters but the longer the plans existed - the bigger the chance that USSR could get them.

2) Conservatives have an arrogant habit of making their controversial decisions irreversible by destroying the initial investment. The Avro Arrow was one, Ont PC's stopped the Spadina Expressway by giving away a portion of the allocated land, when conservatives cancelled the gun registry which was assembled at a huge taxpayer cost - they destroyed the existing data base while ignoring regional requests for a copy for their own police enforcement. To reverse any of these decisions (if desired) would be an enormous cost by starting over.
 

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You should consider parking that self-defeating Canadian inferiority complex.

After WW II, Canada was a world leader in science and technology, we could compete with anybody. The Americans bought the Avro engineers into their aerospace projects. It was a monstrously bad decision.

To add insult to injury, Diefenbaker also put a stop to South European immigration to Canada - that worked out well for the Conservatives.
I blame Harris
 

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I blame Harris
Mike Harris, the former Premier was only 13 in 1958 when the AVRO project was killed, if this is the "Harris" that you are referring to? However when the "Duffer" was Premier he did nix funding to a film about the AVRO project in the 80s.
 

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Seriously the Avro Arrow is such a myth
Ranks right up there with Bigfoot

We all like to think it is a huge source of Canadian pride that we built the best airplane in the world
But
Mar 25 1958 was the first time an Arrow ever flew (and was discontinued by 1959)

In that same year the F104 Starfighter sets world altitude and speed records (this plane design lasted until 2004 in active service, although obviously at end of life it was no longer the best out there)

I would also point out that Avro was a British company who made numerous other designs (eg Avro Anson in same year) non of which were world beating super planes so why would the Arrow be so miraculously better?
CF-103 (cancelled) & CF-105 Arrow (cancelled)
Only plane we ever produced from this series was the CF-100 Canuck (a plane that existed 1950 to 1981 but so feeble I am sure most people reading this have never even heard of it without Google)
TS140 (cancelled) VZ9 (test vehicle only) C102 (prototype only)

Avro Canada built jack & shit
Lots of dreams but every project they started failed miserably
Yet the Arrow was to be the greatest plane ever uh huh

Canadian delusion much?
 

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Seriously the Avro Arrow is such a myth
Ranks right up there with Bigfoot

We all like to think it is a huge source of Canadian pride that we built the best airplane in the world
But
Mar 25 1958 was the first time an Arrow ever flew (and was discontinued by 1959)

In that same year the F104 Starfighter sets world altitude and speed records (this plane design lasted until 2004 in active service, although obviously at end of life it was no longer the best out there)

I would also point out that Avro was a British company who made numerous other designs (eg Avro Anson in same year) non of which were world beating super planes so why would the Arrow be so miraculously better?
CF-103 (cancelled) & CF-105 Arrow (cancelled)
Only plane we ever produced from this series was the CF-100 Canuck (a plane that existed 1950 to 1981 but so feeble I am sure most people reading this have never even heard of it without Google)
TS140 (cancelled) VZ9 (test vehicle only) C102 (prototype only)

Avro Canada built jack & shit
Lots of dreams but every project they started failed miserably
Yet the Arrow was to be the greatest plane ever uh huh

Canadian delusion much?
But hey,... it would have produced lots of over paid, government backed jobs,.... until it was eventually canceled anyway.
 

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But hey,... it would have produced lots of over paid, government backed jobs,.... until it was eventually canceled anyway.
There is no shortage to governmental make work projects...
 
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