Saw last night on CP24 the Argo owners are somewhat involved in this Toronto second NHL DREAM! Team !!!! Anyone know more?
Argo Owners involved in Hockey?
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They are interested in buying the Phoenix Coyotes and keeping them in Phoenix.
But they'll lose money keeping them in the desert, and eventually beg Bettman to move the franchise to Toronto.
But they'll lose money keeping them in the desert, and eventually beg Bettman to move the franchise to Toronto.
Can't the Phoenix Coyotes play a few "home" games in Hamilton just like the Buffalo Bills play a few home games in Toronto?Frank Fingers said:
can't more canadian hockey fans just retire in arizona and the problem will go away?
btw - Pittsburgh.... 3 seasons of complete sellouts to date after it was stated that here on terb that NHL hockey doesn't belong in Pittsburgh and can never be successful. I'm just sayin'...
btw - Pittsburgh.... 3 seasons of complete sellouts to date after it was stated that here on terb that NHL hockey doesn't belong in Pittsburgh and can never be successful. I'm just sayin'...
That arena in Hamilton is 25 years old, and will need to be renovated to accomodate an NHL franchise. Also, adding a team in Hamilton might hurt the Buffalo Sabres fan base. Hamilton, also isn't a large city, attractive city or cosmopolitan city, and I would rather see another NHL team in Toronto, Winnipeg or Quebec City.Rockslinger said:Can't the Phoenix Coyotes play a few "home" games in Hamilton just like the Buffalo Bills play a few home games in Toronto?
Also, if for some very strange reason Hamilton did get a NHL team, they wouldn't have Hamilton in the name since no one in the US would know where it is. They would use either Ontario or Southern Ontario, and even Jim Balsillie said this.
You can't compare the Phoenix Coyotes to the Pittsburg Penguins. Phoenix/Glendale was never a hockey mad city, and they have never made it past the first round of the playoffs while they've been there. The last time they made it past the first round was in 1987 when they were still the Winnipeg Jets, and they haven't made the playoffs since 2002. They also weren't lucky in the draft and got some below average players. Plus having Shane Doan as your captain isn't the greatest.21pro said:
Having been a shitty team for a very long time, Pittsburg had 5 top 5 picks in 5 years, and used them to draft the likes of Fleury, Malkin and Crosby. Malkin and Crosby are two of the top 3 players in the league, and the team is a winning team that has made it to the final two years in a row, and overall is one of the youngest and most exciting teams to watch. That team would sell out in every city. The only losing team that sells out every game is the Maple Leafs.
Frank Fingers said:
Whats so GREAT about Columbus Ohio Where is it? Buffalo attractive?
With the new border rules less Canadians will be going over to Buffalo anyway!! Its already a concern of the Bills and is documented.
How is it going to hurt Buffalo or Toronto? Fans from Hamilton will go to TO and Buffalo to see the team.Tickets usually sold to Hamilton area people will now be available for more people in TO or Buffalo ITS A GREAT SETUP AND RIVALRY. Look at NYR NYI NJD PF all within about 100 miles.
Winnipg Quebec HAD their chance and couldnt make a go of it.Atlanta Minnesota are on their second time around. Anaheim SNUCK in with DISNEY Bucks. Why are there more teams in California than in Ontario?
Actually Columbus, OH is not only the capital of the state of Ohio, but it is also the largest city in that state. The city itself has a larger population than Cleveland and Cincinnati. Also, they previously had an NHL team in Ohio called the Cleveland Barons, and now they switched things up by adding a team in Columbus, which has been fairly successful.spankingman said:
And as boring as Buffalo is, it is more known in the US and they also currently have an NFL team, along with previously having the LA Clippers in the past. They are also a larger city than Hamilton.
I never said it will hurt Toronto, but there is a very strong chance that it will hurt Buffalo. That team was in trouble recently and might be again soon, and if you add a team in the Hamilton area many fans who attend the Buffalo games will be going to Hamilton instead.spankingman said:
One of the major barricades to allowing another NHL team in Southern Ontario is the Leafs. They don't want another team, and if there is one, they will be getting a lot of their money.
When Winnipeg and Quebec City had their teams, they were not getting revenue sharing to help the small market Canadian teams like Edmonton, Ottawa and Calgary had received after they left the league. Edmonton and Ottawa have billionaire owners now, and along with Calgary have been doing well financially. If these plans were implemented, a team can survive in Winnipeg and Quebec City. Also Winnipeg has something Hamilton does not and that is a new arena, and there is also talk about a Russian billionaire wanting to get a team in Quebec City.spankingman said:
Also there are more teams in California for the simple reason that it's the most populated state in the US, and because the league wants the game to grow in the south.
Jim Ballsillie is NOT a billionaire????????? He more than likely has more cash than MLSE and Sabres combined. He is known worldwide for his BLACKBERRY.You would THINK the suits at the NOT HAMILTON LEAGUE would WANT to have a man of his knowledge wealth etc on board.Frank Fingers said:
Hamilton has a pop. of over 500,000 and can EASILY draw from over 1,000,000 or more. The fans ARE HERE but the COUNT fails to realize this.
Again an area that HAD a team and LOST it gets ANOTHER shot Cleveland-Columbus
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Being a Peg girl and did see the jets play. I love to see a team there. But the new arena is small and cannot be expanded do to location. Parking is a worst night mare then Hamilton. It is down town and in winter with the snow forget about Portage and Main.
As far as it hurting Buffalo who cares we want another team in Canada so any American market unless you are pro Yankee should not be relevant.
The league has focused so much on south and the US that the home of hockey is being left for dead. I had a chance to see the actual drawings and a tour with virtual effects on what Copps would look like and it was fabulous.
The NHL needs to let the coyotes move and me the die-hard habs fan will be the turn coat not to mention the profit potential my seats would have on a resale. Yes before anyone jumps in, the VIP season ticket holders where all invited out to this tour and signed letters of intent. In that letter was also a disclosure clause so that is all I got to say.
IMO the best move is Hamilton and it is long over due. Hamilton may not be as attractive as Quebec city but well just as attractive as Winterpeg for sure. Toronto has a team that the avg joe cannot afford to take his kids to see games if he can even get tickets and that’s exactly what team two will turn into. Another on ice flops that makes a ton of cash for ownership. The Ticket prices in Hamilton will be much more reasonable parking at a third of the price along with Concessions that are better priced. I almost fainted when told what was it 22 dollars or something for two beers at ACC. Add a couple of hotdogs and fries or popcorn. I could have had a nice dinner somewhere.
I have seen games in ACC, Buff, Detroit, Pitt, Bell Ottawa along with Bean town and Philly. The plans for copps will give us an upper tier arena the fans will be number one in the league.
Being a Peg girl and did see the jets play. I love to see a team there. But the new arena is small and cannot be expanded do to location. Parking is a worst night mare then Hamilton. It is down town and in winter with the snow forget about Portage and Main.
As far as it hurting Buffalo who cares we want another team in Canada so any American market unless you are pro Yankee should not be relevant.
The league has focused so much on south and the US that the home of hockey is being left for dead. I had a chance to see the actual drawings and a tour with virtual effects on what Copps would look like and it was fabulous.
The NHL needs to let the coyotes move and me the die-hard habs fan will be the turn coat not to mention the profit potential my seats would have on a resale. Yes before anyone jumps in, the VIP season ticket holders where all invited out to this tour and signed letters of intent. In that letter was also a disclosure clause so that is all I got to say.
IMO the best move is Hamilton and it is long over due. Hamilton may not be as attractive as Quebec city but well just as attractive as Winterpeg for sure. Toronto has a team that the avg joe cannot afford to take his kids to see games if he can even get tickets and that’s exactly what team two will turn into. Another on ice flops that makes a ton of cash for ownership. The Ticket prices in Hamilton will be much more reasonable parking at a third of the price along with Concessions that are better priced. I almost fainted when told what was it 22 dollars or something for two beers at ACC. Add a couple of hotdogs and fries or popcorn. I could have had a nice dinner somewhere.
I have seen games in ACC, Buff, Detroit, Pitt, Bell Ottawa along with Bean town and Philly. The plans for copps will give us an upper tier arena the fans will be number one in the league.
some of us did.....and then they went and built the rink in a part of Phoenix that is miles away from where anyone goes. It's bad enough that they are trying to sell hockey in the desert.....but the location of the area is even a bigger problem.21pro said:can't more canadian hockey fans just retire in arizona and the problem will go away?
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If Jim Balsillie had Bill Gates money he would by the NHL. Relocate non-profit teams. Jim can say bye-bye to Bettman and send him to hide in shame. I think $30 billion would be enough to buy the entire NHL. Pending approval of the owners and having to go through so much legal matters.
If that's the case why don't they buy the Coyotes and move them to Winnipeg? Are you allowed to own more than 1 team?mac said:
They do have a new arena though, larger population, and even Bettman recommended Winnipeg, and that means they deserve a team more than Hamilton. It would be very nice for the Coyotes to return to Winnipeg and once again become the Jets. Talk about coming full circle!spankingman said:
We might find out tomorrow if the judge will approve the sale of the Coyote's to Mr. Balsillie: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=281281
Don't get me wrong, I hope Southern Ontario gets another NHL team. Just not Hamilton
Wanna bet the decision will be delayed. I get this feeling that it's not going to happen in Balsillie's favour. The longer it's delayed, it will give more time for Bettman to con another rich business owner to make a bid for the Coyotes. Didn't Jerry Bruckheimer want an NHL franchise??? Bettman would love that. However, Mr. Bruckheimer is smart enough not to get into bed with Bettman.
