Arar cleared ... RCMP, right wing press, liars and fools.

[woolf]

Link to story

Yeah, I know it sounds like I'm being inflammatory and drawing conclusions, but that's just about what the O'Connor commission states in its report.

So, first the good news. Arar has been cleared as the judge saw no evidence to suggest that Arar had anything to do with terrorism or any connection to any terrorist groups.

Also there was no evidence that any Canadian officials were directly involved in the US decision to send Arar to Syria to be tortured.

Now, the RCMP on the other hand were found to be a bunch of liars, criminals, and out and out fascist thugs.

Not included in the linked article, but reported on CBC radio, is that Canwest and the Ottawa Citizen pieces of right wing trash were also working with the RCMP to smear Arar by leaking false information.

Remember this the next time the RCMP or the right wing press try to forward their own twisted agenda with another story of "Islamic terrorists" under every bed.

 

[Argocock]

Here's what I don't understand, please excuse my ignorance. Last time I heard, Syria and USA were pretty much enemies, like Syria I think is part of George Bush's axis of evil.. So Syria is a muslim country, and an enemy of the USA. So this is what I can't understand, why would the Americans send a Muslim guy to Syria, and why would the Syrians be torturing this guy?

Again, excuse my ignorance but you'd think sending a Muslim guy to an Islamic country would be like a get out of jail free card. I feel sorry for the guy, but it just doesn't make any sense to me why the Syrians would torture one of their own?

 

[newinottawa]

Syria, despite being an enemy of the US, does not want terrorists in their midsts. However, the use of torture to get someone to confess to crimes he hasn't committed is not very productive.

 

[allaboutben]

Just as an aside, Arar never had the look of someone who spent a year in prison being tortured. More like he had just got back from vacation. I'm still dubious about what actually happened in Syria. I wonder if he will file a lawsuit in the Syrian courts. Pure cash grab IMO.

 

[robert99]

Just as an aside, Arar never had the look of someone who spent a year in prison being tortured. More like he had just got back from vacation. I'm still dubious about what actually happened in Syria. I wonder if he will file a lawsuit in the Syrian courts. Pure cash grab IMO.

You don't think that if you're being let go by a government that kidnapped and tortured you that they might take appearances into consideration before releasing you? I doubt he was on a vacation I'd like to take

 

[allaboutben]

You don't think that if you're being let go by a government that kidnapped and tortured you that they might take appearances into consideration before releasing you? I doubt he was on a vacation I'd like to take

Its in the eyes and his manner. Compare him to that Brit/Cdn guy that was in a Saudi prison for around 3 yrs a while ago. If you cant see the difference, I cant help you. Its not much different than soldiers returning from wars or guys doing long stretches in 23 hr lock down prisons. Arar never had that look. So I remain skeptical of what really happened.

 

[woolf]

Its in the eyes and his manner. Compare him to that Brit/Cdn guy that was in a Saudi prison for around 3 yrs a while ago. If you cant see the difference, I cant help you. Its not much different than soldiers returning from wars or guys doing long stretches in 23 hr lock down prisons. Arar never had that look. So I remain skeptical of what really happened.

Yeah, I see the difference ... Arar is a "brown Muslim", and Sampson is a "white Christian". Obviously this was an elaborate plan by Arar to get the RCMP to believe he was a terrorist, tell the USA so they would ship him off to Syria, where he could go on a nice long vacation in a Syrian prison, then come back and have the government hold a royal commission so he would have a case for suing the RCMP.

All makes perfect sense now.

 

[allaboutben]

Yeah, I see the difference ... Arar is a "brown Muslim", and Sampson is a "white Christian". Obviously this was an elaborate plan by Arar to get the RCMP to believe he was a terrorist, tell the USA so they would ship him off to Syria, where he could go on a nice long vacation in a Syrian prison, then come back and have the government hold a royal commission so he would have a case for suing the RCMP.

All makes perfect sense now.

Took you 3 posts to turn it into a racial issue. Quick trigger finger? Or how you view the world?

 

[woolf]

No, took you one post to do that.

Everything Arar told us about his ordeal has proven to be true, yet one look in "his eyes" tells you he is wasn't tortured and that he is lying about that part.

If you can look into someone eyes over a television screen and come to the conclusion that they are lying, then I can sure as fuck look at you words and come to the conclusion that you are a racist jerk ... wouldn't that be a logical conclusion.

Of course you could dispel that suspicion by providing a much more detailed reason why you believe Arar to be a liar, based on something a little more objective than "he looks like a liar".

 

[peteeey]

Well known tactic by those who torture. Don't leave visible marks.

Just as an aside, Arar never had the look of someone who spent a year in prison being tortured. More like he had just got back from vacation. I'm still dubious about what actually happened in Syria. I wonder if he will file a lawsuit in the Syrian courts. Pure cash grab IMO.

 

[allaboutben]

No, took you one post to do that.

Everything Arar told us about his ordeal has proven to be true, yet one look in "his eyes" tells you he is wasn't tortured and that he is lying about that part.

If you can look into someone eyes over a television screen and come to the conclusion that they are lying, then I can sure as fuck look at you words and come to the conclusion that you are a racist jerk ... wouldn't that be a logical conclusion.

Of course you could dispel that suspicion by providing a much more detailed reason why you believe Arar to be a liar, based on something a little more objective than "he looks like a liar".

'one look', try several. I stated I was dubious. Ask yourself how the Iranian photographer case in Iran was covered up but Arar's wasnt in Syria. How can you rely on anything Syria says? Proof? What proof? I havent seen anything and neither have you.

Call me a racist? What do you know about anything? You are the one using racial angles on a discussion. Look in the mirror. You despise what you see in your own heart.

I have seen war veterans, long term prisoners, up close and Arar doesnt look anything like them. Ever talk to lifer before? Probably not. Their stare can cut right through you.

 

[woolf]

Bullshit ... the Arar case was also "covered up" ... but like the Kazemi case the "cover up" was exposed. But let's not get into facts, obviously all that's needed is your "feelings" on what might have happened ... much more accurate than stupid facts.

And so what, you've seen war vets and prisoners "up close" ... I've seen racists and what they write "up close", and you writing looks exactly like theirs.

If you don't have anything concrete to use when calling someone a liar, then all you've got is the word of a racist.

 

[allaboutben]

Bullshit ... the Arar case was also "covered up" ... but like the Kazemi case the "cover up" was exposed. But let's not get into facts, obviously all that's needed is your "feelings" on what might have happened ... much more accurate than stupid facts.

And so what, you've seen war vets and prisoners "up close" ... I've seen racists and what they write "up close", and you writing looks exactly like theirs.

If you don't have anything concrete to use when calling someone a liar, then all you've got is the word of a racist.

I believe everything about the Kazemi case and she is Iranian. Racist is basing a decision on race. That is what you have done. Thank you proving yourself to be racist. Look up hypocrisy.

Again I said from the start that I was 'dubious' I need more proof.

Ever meet a real racist? I had gun put to my head by a black guy because I was white.

I'll tell you what I think happened. RCMP gave some flimsy info to US. US sends him to Syria . Syria holds him for a while. Maybe slaps him around a bit. Gets back to Canada and sees mucho dollar signs. Now is that racist? Or a realist?

 

[woolf]

My "decision" is based on the fact that everything Arar has claimed has shown to be true. The details of his ordeal in the USA, his connections (or non-connections rather) with terrorist suspects, the details of his meetings with Canadian officials while in Syria prison, the descriptions of Arar by those same Canadian officials, Arar's description of other prisoners in the same prison who were known to be tortured.

Your "decision" on the other hand is based on "his eyes" ... Yes, I've met real racists ... I'm meeting one now.

 

[allaboutben]

My "decision" is based on the fact that everything Arar has claimed has shown to be true. The details of his ordeal in the USA, his connections (or non-connections rather) with terrorist suspects, the details of his meetings with Canadian officials while in Syria prison, the descriptions of Arar by those same Canadian officials, Arar's description of other prisoners in the same prison who were known to be tortured.

Your "decision" on the other hand is based on "his eyes" ... Yes, I've met real racists ... I'm meeting one now.

Thanks for proving my racist theory correct.

 

[LancsLad]

My "decision" is based on the fact that everything Arar has claimed has shown to be true. The details of his ordeal in the USA, his connections (or non-connections rather) with terrorist suspects, the details of his meetings with Canadian officials while in Syria prison, the descriptions of Arar by those same Canadian officials, Arar's description of other prisoners in the same prison who were known to be tortured.

Your "decision" on the other hand is based on "his eyes" ... Yes, I've met real racists ... I'm meeting one now.

Oh, oh the eyeslam loving fool is playing the race card. We better all be quiet now before all the liberals wake up and feel righeously indignant at us.
Better yet cap 'im and sent it back.

 

[woolf]

Yes, I see ... just because a royal commission examining all the evidence, even the supposed redacted national security level evidence (which is now recommended to be made public as it turns out it's not really a matter of national security,) clearly shows that the RCMP lied a person into a Syrian prison to be tortured, this is of no importance ... the fact that he is a Muslim, and that his "eyes don't look right", that's what important.

Any of you deep thinkers want to take your head out of your ass long enough to comment on how the security forces in this country are making a complete mockery of our democracy and justice system?

 

[themexi]

I think that the only way for Canada to retain our good name as a country where the officials abuse the citizenry less than most is to A) name every single RCMP cocksucker that had anything to do with this & outline what they did. B) Punish them. Take their badges, guns, pensions & freedom. Make their lives a living hell. Make sure that Everyone knows who they are & what they did to tarnish the reputation of their honourable force & the country they failed to serve. Have other RCMP officers make the arrests as public as possible to send the message that it was a few induviduals...& they have been purged.


This will also give a clear message to the remaining officers that those who had nothing to do with it aren't going to be tarred with the same brush & will keep their good name & the respect & trust due to them. It will also send a clear message to those thinking of doing anything like it that they will suffer for it. Public sevants & officials are given powers beyond the "average citizen", so it is not only fair but absolutely necessary that they be held to a higher standard & held to it with an iron fist.

This will give a clear message to the Canadian people that they can still trust & rely upon our LE officers. With every incedent of a LE officer abusing power, our trus shrinks & our fear grows...Eventually, it will get to the point where the LE Officers are used to the fact that fear is all they have left to do their job.... that will be a nightmare. Nip this sh*it in the bud people....now.

 

[themexi]

As for Mr. Arar...I don't think monetary compensation sends the right message. There should be no cash payoff. Instead.... make a passive but substantial gesture like making him exempt from all taxes for a period of 10 years. Do it with the message that the government failed him & took so much from him already that it would be wrong to ask anything more of him. The government thinks nothing of throwing our $ away to silence a mistake...but take their precious revenue away...well, they will take it more seriously.

 

[woolf]

themexi: All good suggestions ... my only observations would be that Arar should be allowed to sue the government in civil court (I'm sure any decent civil rights lawyer would be willing to take the case pro bono, or for minimal payment.) I agree that the government not only NOT make some attempt to pay off Amar for silence, but they should be actively prevented from making such an attempt at all.

Amar deserves some compensation, but the government doesn't deserve to be allowed to buy itself out of their corruption.

Note: by "government" I mean the government agencies and representatives that are responsible for this complete miscarriage of justice and abuse of powers ... which in this case looks like largely RCMP officials, but could include CSIS and bureaucrats as well.