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Cash is a dead man walking, Nordic countries are trying to move to completely cashless societies.
 

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People are hiding cash in their microwaves as Sweden gets closer to being the first cashless society with negative interest rates

Jim Edwards

Oct. 28, 2015, 8:05 AM

Sweden is shaping up to be the first country to plunge its citizens into a fascinating — and terrifying — economic experiment: negative interest rates in a cashless society.

The Swedish central bank, the Sveriges Riksbank, on Wednesday held its benchmark interest rate at -0.35%, the level it has been at since July.

Though retail banks have yet to pass that negative rate on to Swedish consumers, they face increased pressure to do so as long as the rates remain where they are. That's a problem, because Sweden is the closest country on the planet to becoming an all-electronic cashless society.

Remember, Sweden is the place where, if you use too much cash, banks call the police because they think you might be a terrorist or a criminal. Swedish banks have started removing cash ATMs from rural areas, annoying old people and farmers. Credit Suisse says the rule of thumb in Scandinavia is: "If you have to pay in cash, something is wrong."

If banks charge customers negative interest rates in a cashless society, those customers are not able to withdraw their money as cash to shield it under their putative mattresses. Consumers' only choice in such a scenario is to spend it or let the bank take it. (The theory is that by forcing people to spend cash rather than save it, you can spur economic growth.)

Rather than going further into negative territory — a move that carries political risks the more negative it becomes — the Riksbank chose instead to do another round of quantitative easing (a forced bond-buying program that flushes more cash from the central bank into the economy).

But the pressure for negative interest rates to drive cash out of bank deposits and into the economy is building. Switzerland, for instance, has negative central-policy rates that cost its banks $1 billion a year. Those costs haven't yet been passed down to consumers. But how much longer will banks eat that before adding fees and charges to Swiss accounts to defray the cost?

We reported at the weekend how central bankers and investment-bank analysts are increasingly discussing when this might happen. And Tuesday, Italy sold a two-year bond at an interest rate of -0.023%, which means investors have to pay to lend Italy money rather than receive interest on their loans. (Why would you buy such a bond? Well, if you believe that you'll get even worse terms in the future from other creditors — hello, Sweden! — then suddenly -0.023% starts to look pretty good.)

So two trends are converging on Sweden at the same time:

Sweden is using less and less cash.
Sweden is an environment of negative interest rates.

And that means many Swedes have no way to "hide" their money.

So Sweden may become the first country whose citizens may have to accept negative interest rates (probably in the form of higher bank charges or fees) or be forced to spend their money to "save" it from those rates.

A resistance is forming, and some people are protesting the impending extinction of cash. Björn Eriksson, former head of Sweden's national police and now head of Säkerhetsbranschen, a lobbying group for the security industry, told The Local, "I've heard of people keeping cash in their microwaves because banks won't accept it."

http://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-cashless-society-negative-interest-rates-2015-10
 

Butler1000

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Doubtful. How are the politicians supposed to get payoffs.

Cash will be around for the foreseeable future.

Can you imagine the chaos of a cashless society during a blackout?

Nope. Don't see it.
 

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I'm surprised whenever I see a customer pay cash at the checkout. A cashier told me that many, not all, who pay cash are undocumented, bad credit and/or 100 years old.

TTC said they will stop accepting cash soon. Happened to me in NYC in 1993 when I hopped on a bus and the driver said he could not accept cash. Fortunately, not one but two ladies behind me offered to pay my fare.
 

Butler1000

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Ever try to pay under 10 bucks at the convenience store? They won't do it or charge you for the transaction.

How about paying for a drink at the ballet. Do you think people want to hand that info over to a stripclub?

I can go on and on. So many businesses rely on cash it would be impossible to do it.

This APPLE CEO is living in an ivory tower. Let him be amongst the unwashed for a day and he will see many still pay cash.
 

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I'm surprised whenever I see a customer pay cash at the checkout. A cashier told me that many, not all, who pay cash are undocumented, bad credit and/or 100 years old.

TTC said they will stop accepting cash soon. Happened to me in NYC in 1993 when I hopped on a bus and the driver said he could not accept cash. Fortunately, not one but two ladies behind me offered to pay my fare.
I'm annoyed with the people at the check out line fumbling around with their cards. Do I swipe? Do I tap? Oops, I pressed the wrong number, etc. Nothing beats cash in an emergency, "the hood" and when you want to get a deal.
 

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Cash is a dead man walking, Nordic countries are trying to move to completely cashless societies.
When money is just bits and bytes, what happens to your 'store of value' if the lights go out all over?

When you're telling us we don't have to worry, be sure you're also talking to the peckerheads who want to make government small enough to drown in a bathtub. 'In BitCoins We Trust', may be the coming thing, but there's a reason we make banks and bankers show their faces. We want to know who to lynch after the trust and our money evaporate.
 

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I'm annoyed with the people at the check out line fumbling around with their cards. Do I swipe? Do I tap? Oops, I pressed the wrong number, etc. Nothing beats cash in an emergency, "the hood" and when you want to get a deal.
And for the efficient speed you noted at the checkout.
 

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I'm annoyed with the people at the check out line fumbling around with their cards. Do I swipe? Do I tap? Oops, I pressed the wrong number, etc. Nothing beats cash in an emergency, "the hood" and when you want to get a deal.
It's worse when they fumble with their coins and drop one on the floor and actually go searching for the damn dime. Or, they are short a quarter. In that case, I just give them the quarter if I happen to have one in my pocket.

Sorry to hear that the TTC is going to do away with cash as that is how I pay the few times I take the TTC.
 

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but there's a reason we make banks and bankers show their faces. We want to know who to lynch after the trust and our money evaporate.
That is why some some women cover their faces.

Greece still has cash. I saw the long lineups at the banks waiting to take their 60 Euros out.
 

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Next up.... Bar code tattoos on wrists at birth... That'll cover your health card, drivers license, sin#, credit cards, passport, and any other necessary information

Some people forget.....George Orwell wrote 1984 as a warning...not as a fucking procedure manual
 

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Next up.... Bar code tattoos on wrists at birth... That'll cover your health card, drivers license, sin#, credit cards, passport, and any other necessary information
That is why they are bringing back the long form census. Also, cameras and GPS everywhere to track your every movement.
 

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I think there will always be a form of cash. The CIA and various intelligence agencies cannot do their dirty work without cash.
 

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All we need is a prolonged power outage and people will truly understand why cash is a must have. Think about it. You won't be able to pay for groceries, gas, food etc.... The folks that want to push towards a cashless society are the same clowns behind Agenda 21. They won't be happy until they OWN everything. Including you. Could you imagine speaking out against the Government only to have your debit card blocked. People really need to wake up and start understanding things better. The ability to think appears to be a dying instinct.
 

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I do t own a credit card. I always pay cash, sometimes with debit but not often. I hate how credit card companies collect your spending habits data.
 
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