Anti-Americans

revolution said:
you're right assholic, they shouldn't intervene, and should let all the dictators and terrorists build up a nuclear arsenal to launch against canadians, americans, and europeans.

silly americans, why don't they just mind their own damn business.
/end sarcasm.

REvolution, you need to spend some time reading. The world hasnt always been anti-US - but every so often the US gets derailed, often by internal power groups who demonstrate that often, it doesnt take that many pressure points in a system of checks and balances to get things done to your way of profit/goal. As OTB notes, the insular nature of the US helps create the ignorance that allows misguided policy to form. When you travel and learn about other cultures, you become more aware when you are being fed a line of bull.

And yes, having a dicator like Saddam was better than anything that will be happening in Iraq over the next 15 years. Countries need to go through a process to get to democracy, and Saddams leadership of the Baath party was part of that process from mere tribalism just a few decades ago. The Baath party was secular, separated religion from government, allowed the advancement of women in academics, politics and business etc. Syria is a case in point, Assad has taken a country that was having a coup twice a month in the 1960s, and stabilized it, broadened the wealth in the country, allowed women to advance, and build true democratic processes at the local level. Unfortunately he was also paranoid due to constant Muslim brotherhood attacks and truely felt hung out to dry by Kissinger and Sadat after they fucked him in regsards to Isreal. Isreal should be required to return the Golan heights which they illegally attacked (Moshe Dayans words, given he was the Northern commader)- which caused him to be aliented, seek ties with the USSR and allow Hezbollah to snipe at Isreal. That the US wants to overthrow Syria is also wrong, given that again, you take a secular govt and turn it over to a majority funadmentalist process - between Iran, Iraq and Syria you then have the makings of a potential religious war between the WEst and the East. HAd Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith, Abrams, Bolton etc al not been driving forces for ISreal is this administration, you would not have seen the fundamental christians sign on to the plan. The rest of thw world sees the conflict - but the US doesnt. Its ignorance, its deplorable brainwashing and needless emotional tugging by the US elites that make the rest of the world cringe at the stupdity of this Admin, and the 50% of the US that support them.

The US has done lots right, but meddled and injured too many uneccesarily. Operation Phoenix (Vietnam), Chile, Honduras, El Savador - underground operations that killed HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS - the coups in Iran - the overthrow of a democratic govt which led to the current Islamic regime, the secret deals with Saudi lining the pockets of both Dems and Repubs, trading weapons with Iran in order to kill people in Saouth A,merica, paying off Iranians in order to hold US hostages so that Reagan could get elected. The car bombs in Lebanon, the assination of Iranian diplomats, which helped create the HExbollah which led to the MArine Barracks deaths etc. The problem REVOLUTION, is that the US does it to itself with mis-guided foreign policy and covert actions that dont seem to get played out in the media in the US - despite being a "free and open society". No one in this election dares investigate why a fun loving frat boy, who failed his security check for the ANG for substance abuse problems with cocaine, is allowed to avoid being charged by spending 90 days volonterring at a Houston inner city agency. 90 days, not less - not more - exactly 90 days. The world can put 2 and 2 together - and see the real truth, but people like you fail to realize some of the real issues, and are instead caught in the propganda cause you lack historical understanding.
 
My God! It's......horrible!

AMERICANSON HAS A CLONE - AND HIS NAME IS REVOLUTION!
 
OTB - Chalmers Johnson has recently commented in a series of books on the over-extension of the American military - and he also argues that Clinton was a more effective imperialist than Bush, which I think is an accurate and not terribly flattering portrait.
 
DonQuixote said:
OTB -

Do we bring back the draft?

If we're not going to 'pass the global test' then where do we get the
boots on the ground. A report that came out this week said the
Army missed recruitment for the fiscal year ending 9/30 by
5,000 recruits.

Any suggestions?

We will not bring back the draft, and the point of my post was that even if we pass the mythical "global test" there are no other countries with credible militaries that can help, all we really get from them is political coverage not ground or air coverage.

Was that clear enough, no draft, never going to happen, under NO circumstances..... can't make it any clearer than that.

Is 5,000 a lot, I just don't know. A predictably difficult time to recruit (war going on, economy getting better) but at the end of the day there are more advantages to an all volunteer military than any other option.

OTB
 
Drunken Master said:
OTB - Chalmers Johnson has recently commented in a series of books on the over-extension of the American military - and he also argues that Clinton was a more effective imperialist than Bush, which I think is an accurate and not terribly flattering portrait.

That would be an interesting read. I think we have over extended our commitments and our commitments have little to do with our national interest. I can see no reason to keep 100k troops in Europe, maybe 15k for logistical support but no real fighting troops. Let Europe defend itself. Same thing for Japan and South Korea, while having some troops in the area is required to keep North Korea and China honest I think it's high time Japan fund a credible military and then perform peace keeping duties in Asia.

I'm very supportive (and predicted actually) of the Administrations plans to bring troops back home, easier on them, cheaper on the US tax payer, economic boost to US bases and surrounding communities and more flexible. I'm predicting that the US will move into a more isolationist stance post Iraq and we'll see how the UN does at peace keeping - that should be a good laugh - what the UN really needs is a world class mortuary service because by the time they act everyone is dead anyway.

Americans are confused, insulted and pissed at the bad rap they're getting these days in world public opinion, I think public opinion will swing towards letting the mythical "global community" handle problems and Americans will stay home and make more money than everyone else.

OTB
 
I believe in free speach but if there are anymore racially charged statements in this thread - it will be closed!
 
Please please close it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
DonQuixote said:
God protects fools, drunks and the United States of America.
That's what I was always taught.

OTB - your analysis is too rational and thoughtful to ever be pursued.

Cardinal - I know. Can't figure it out. I searched his name, found the
site and printed out the article. The address is the same one that's
on the bottom of the article I print out. Go figure.

DQ,

I think the Administration announcing that 70k troops will be pulled out of Asia and Europe back to the US is the beginning of the EXECUTION of this analysis. Can't you just see the Congressmen/women and Senators fighting to get those troops based in their respective jurisdictions for the economic benefit.

OTB
 
Wow, DQ, Red, and the Shake all agree with OTB regarding American military policy.

Is there a full moon or something?
 
The Shake said:
Wow, DQ, Red, and the Shake all agree with OTB regarding American military policy.

Is there a full moon or something?

You're just slowly coming to your senses ;-)

OTB
 
I myself specifically like the U.S. Are policies arent always right,but most of the time there is good behind it.I have flip-flopped over to voting for John Kerry for President.I hope the years ahead will bring a new cooperation of friendship with Canada,and others around the globe.
 
Peace4u said:
I myself specifically like the U.S. Are policies arent always right,but most of the time there is good behind it.I have flip-flopped over to voting for John Kerry for President.I hope the years ahead will bring a new cooperation of friendship with Canada,and others around the globe.

I hope so too. It's better to have friends then enemies.