Another reason to hate McCain
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American troops have been in Germany for over 60 years and no one gives a flying whirl-a-gig. It's about the American casualties.TOVisitor said:Sorry boys, but this guy is just George Bush who went to Vietnam.
Please. Americans won't be concerned if we are in Iraq for another 100 years?
Has McCain become GWB's sock puppet?
jwm
You ran out on your country...........why do you expect to be taken seriously?TOVisitor said:Sorry boys, but this guy is just George Bush who went to Vietnam.
Please. Americans won't be concerned if we are in Iraq for another 100 years?
Has McCain become GWB's sock puppet?
jwmorrice is correct. Its about casualties. Do any of the other "serious" candidates advocate complete withdrawal from Iraq? I doubt it. At best, they want American troops to withdraw from combat situations and remain on the permanent bases they have constructed in Iraq. At least McCain is being honest on that point. There is no real debate about complete withdrawal from Iraq.TOVisitor said:Sorry boys, but this guy is just George Bush who went to Vietnam.
Please. Americans won't be concerned if we are in Iraq for another 100 years?
Has McCain become GWB's sock puppet?
Oh stop now!!!
Americans have Bases..consulates..diplomats in over 100 countries...the Army has presence in over 125 I believe...and they are invited there by the host countries.
Iraq is a little more work...but well worth it.
Please know that American presence WILL be there for many many many mnay years....
And if you think Obama or the Democrats are gonna get elected and suddenly save all the Army in Iraq you will be sadly mistaken. Oh they promise...but REALLY...It will be status Quo!!
Americans have Bases..consulates..diplomats in over 100 countries...the Army has presence in over 125 I believe...and they are invited there by the host countries.
Iraq is a little more work...but well worth it.
Please know that American presence WILL be there for many many many mnay years....
And if you think Obama or the Democrats are gonna get elected and suddenly save all the Army in Iraq you will be sadly mistaken. Oh they promise...but REALLY...It will be status Quo!!
Exactly. Well put. McCain's just being honest about the iraq policy, and for that I wouldn't hate him but admire him. He's only willing to win power if he can do so by levelling with his countrymen...that takes a boatload of character in my book. On the other hand, being the backbone of law and order in the world is probably starting to wear on Americans...it's expensive and they don't seem to get too much credit for doing it.GOLEAFSGO67 said:Americans have Bases..consulates..diplomats in over 100 countries...the Army has presence in over 125 I believe...and they are invited there by the host countries.
Iraq is a little more work...but well worth it.
Please know that American presence WILL be there for many many many mnay years....
And if you think Obama or the Democrats are gonna get elected and suddenly save all the Army in Iraq you will be sadly mistaken. Oh they promise...but REALLY...It will be status Quo!!
Well, let's not equate consulates and diplomats with army bases. And let's not pretend that its a simple case of being "invited there by the host countries." All kinds of pressure is exerted, including invasion and installation of governments that are sympathetic with American goals. The US Army was not invited to Iraq by the government, they were not asked to build permanent military bases, nor will they leave if they are requested to do so by the Iraqi government. But I am glad that we can agree on one thing, that the US Army is in Iraq for the long haul.GOLEAFSGO67 said:Americans have Bases..consulates..diplomats in over 100 countries...the Army has presence in over 125 I believe...and they are invited there by the host countries.
Iraq is a little more work...but well worth it.
Please know that American presence WILL be there for many many many mnay years....
And if you think Obama or the Democrats are gonna get elected and suddenly save all the Army in Iraq you will be sadly mistaken. Oh they promise...but REALLY...It will be status Quo!!
After all the "Chickenhawk" B.S. that has been posted on TERB over the past several years I'd think that those who have been using that term would be singing the Star Spangled Banner when it came to Senator (Captain) McCain! Too much to hope for I suppose.TOVisitor said:Sorry boys, but this guy is just George Bush who went to Vietnam.
And about the same time in Japan and South Korea.jwmorrice said:American troops have been in Germany for over 60 years and no one gives a flying whirl-a-gig. It's about the American casualties.
jwm
I'm far from thrilled with his (idiotic) ideas this past year on immigration, but other than that major objection I think he'd make a good President.onthebottom said:I hope he wins NH and raises some money, I'd like to see him have a shot at the nomination.
I'm for building a wall, just like Europe, and a guest worker program.Aardvark154 said:I'm far from thrilled with his (idiotic) ideas this past year on immigration, but other than that major objection I think he'd make a good President.
OTB
Has NATO moved East or Russia moved West?Other Wanderer said:How much "law and order" in the world do you see as a result of American actions today?
I'm not talking about decades ago (Marshall Plan, NATO, Peace Corps, UN, etc) ... I mean TODAY.
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Wasn't that the communists who built the wall in Europe? You can't be serious. The US border with Mexico runs nearly 2000 miles.onthebottom said:I'm for building a wall, just like Europe, and a guest worker program.
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Is March 2004 close enough for the "today"?Other Wanderer said:Reading seems to be challenging for you. I asked about the US TODAY, not yesterday. Your question is answered by yesterday ... to wit
Eisenhower won the Cold War the day US decided to support independent economies for Europe (i.e. let Germany, Japan, Britain, France, etc grow their economies on their own, with US financing, rather than becoming "vassals" of the US the way Poland, Czechoslovakia, etc. etc were of Soviet Union)
vs. the Soviets trying to bankroll everyone as satellites of themselves. That one decision guaranteed the Russians would be bankrupt inevitably, because one country can't compete against 5 or 6 growing at the same time, which was what Hitler forgot when he tried his version of the Soviet model.
The Soviets were bankrupt decades before Reagan, as their own records show ... only the Arab oil embargo propped up oil enough to keep them from total collapse, which was pretty closely connected to US policies in the region. Said another way, the US threw the Soviets a lifeline, but it was only temporary, as they were so damn broke it didn't matter.
However, since you also asked about Russia vs. the US today, a comment ...
Under your favourite moron, Russia has rebuilt its military capability, another lifeline via war has multiplied oil, etc. to help Russia rebuild its economy, and now Russians are actually more liked in much of the world than Americans, all because of the stupidity of this regime.
So the Russians have expanded out of their box in a big way, and Americans have no choice but to contract from the fantastic global position they had before your man took over.
Seven new members join NATO
26/03/2004 - NATO
Ceremony to mark the accession to NATO of Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia and informal working luncheon of Foreign Ministers Brussels,
United States Department of State
On 29 March, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia formally became members of NATO by depositing their instruments of accession with the United States Government.
At 1:00 pm local time, the Prime Ministers of the seven countries handed over their instruments of accession to the North Atlantic Treaty to US Secretary of State Colin Powell, who accepted them on behalf of the United States, which is the depository nation for the Treaty.
crickets......onthebottom said:Is March 2004 close enough for the "today"?
Seven new members join NATO
26/03/2004 - NATO
Ceremony to mark the accession to NATO of Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia and informal working luncheon of Foreign Ministers Brussels,
United States Department of State
On 29 March, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia formally became members of NATO by depositing their instruments of accession with the United States Government.
At 1:00 pm local time, the Prime Ministers of the seven countries handed over their instruments of accession to the North Atlantic Treaty to US Secretary of State Colin Powell, who accepted them on behalf of the United States, which is the depository nation for the Treaty.
OTB
What's your solution?DonQuixote said:Bunker mentality. Walls encourage ladders.
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Thats an asinine statement.DonQuixote said:He thinks his kind are the only ones who are worthy.
He has a blanched out version of US history.
The only ones worthy are pigment-challenged.
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Thought I'd posted this earlier, perhaps that was when danmand was in his start a thread, delete a thread furry....Asterix said:Wasn't that the communists who built the wall in Europe? .....
EU to build wall after blasting Israel's
'European hypocrisy is as rank as it is blatant'
Posted: August 17, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Aaron Klein
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Just one month after the U.N. and EU launched a furious campaign against Israel's security fence, culminating in the International Court of Justice ruling that the fence is illegal, the EU announced it's planning to build a separation fence of its own, and invited Israel to participate in the construction.
The fence is being built to separate recently added EU members Poland and Hungary from their new neighbors – Russia, Belarus and Ukraine. The EU said the fence is necessary to "prevent the free movement of migrants seeking to enter" EU territory.
Not to mention tunnels.DonQuixote said:Bunker mentality. Walls encourage ladders.
