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train

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I watched snippets of the debate last night but couldn't stomach watching too much of it. Judging from the reports this morning ( as if those are reliable ) both Harper and Dion probably lost some ground in the 4 against 1 melee. Polls show any Conservative inroads in Quebec eroding and the Bloc regaining some popularity when the Quebec artistic community realized that cutbacks for the arts probably meant them too.

Five participants really is too many. By two.

Did anyone change their mind after watching the debate? Are we so entrenched in our positions that they are a waste of time ?

The only real suspense is whether the NDP will finish ahead of the Liberals in the popular vote. I'll never forgive Dion if they do :)
 

great bear

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If Harper is held to a minority it will be considered a victory for the opposition. Not sure what this will mean for Harper's future. He has managed so far to keep a firm hold on his party. Will be interesting to see if he can manage to keep them in check (quiet mode) after the election.
 

Aardvark154

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I don't know, in my little part of the world they are still saying that the Conservative Party is quite likely to pick up several seats.
 

sailorsix

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It'll be a harper majority and then you will see him stick religiously to the fixed dates for election law. he will suck on the power for the maximum amount of time.

The Reform party will dstroy the Canada that we know and four years from now will be the defining moment for Canada. By that time the majority of folks will have seen how Harper will reduce woman's rights, will have seen the jails filled to no avail, will have seen the country divided more than even when we lived with separatists running Quebec.

The 4 years will also give the Liberals time to completely remake themselves so that they will be able to return to power 4 years hence and start getting Canada out of the economic mess that the Reform party will have created.
 

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Aardvark154 said:
I don't know, in my little part of the world they are still saying that the Conservative Party is quite likely to pick up several seats.
I'm sure they will but they need quite a few in Quebec to get an actual majority I think.
 

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sailorsix said:
It'll be a harper majority and then you will see him stick religiously to the fixed dates for election law. he will suck on the power for the maximum amount of time.
Weren't you complaining before that he called this election early ?

The Reform party will dstroy the Canada that we know and four years from now will be the defining moment for Canada. By that time the majority of folks will have seen how Harper will reduce woman's rights, will have seen the jails filled to no avail, will have seen the country divided more than even when we lived with separatists running Quebec.

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Are you serious ? What exactly do you think he'll do with womans rights ? What have you been smoking :D

Seperatists were running Quebec when the Liberals were in power federally. If you have been reading the polls the Conservatives are significantly more popular in Quebec than the Liberals.
 

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train said:
Did anyone change their mind after watching the debate?
Not in my case.

NDP and Green will gain at the expense of Dion , that's how I am seeing it.
 

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The Bloc have probably saved the Liberals (as a die-hard Liberal and liberal that is hard for me to say). As I see it right now, the Conservatives probaly win between 140 and 150 seats the Bloc 50 and the rest divided between the NDP and Liberals in a proprotion I can't figure out today. My best guess would be 70-80 Liberals and 30 NDP.

Harper shot himself in the foot in Quebec with his comments on funding for the Arts and tough on youth crime policies. Before that he was headed to 30 seats in Quebec, now he might be held between 10 and 15.
 

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train said:
Weren't you complaining before that he called this election early ?
nope wasn't me. Why would I point out the obviousness of his two faced existence?

train said:
Are you serious ? What exactly do you think he'll do with womans rights ? What have you been smoking :D
A large part of his support comes from the bible thumpers who want arbortion re-criminalized. He kept a lid on them this session and kept them out of the news this election so that it does become an issue during the eleection. He has told them to keep their powder dry until they have a majority. What he DID NOT do this past session, as leader of the government, was to take abortion completley off the table. He said that he would not prevent any member from introducing private members bills. What he did do was to allow two bill to slowly progress through the parliamentary process. he could have stopped them completely by saying that the goevrnment did not support making abortion illegal. He did not do that. Come the day with a majority Harper will have to pay his supports and abortion is high on the "past due" list for his right wing supporters.

Ladies, if you care about retaining the right to decide what happens with your body, you had better speak up now. Oct 15 will be too late.

http://thestar.blogs.com/broadsides/reproductive_rights/
Vote to choose
The Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada has posted a tally of federal MPs' stances on women's reproductive freedoms. In part derived from research by the anti-choice Campaign Life Coalition, it suggests that a Conservative government, which attempted to eliminate any debate on abortion in the current election campaign by shelving Bill C-484, the so-called Unborn Victims Act, could curtail women's access to safe and legal abortions. And yet ...

... Campaign Life Coalition has decided to sabotage the chances of a Conservative majority victory by surveying MPs and publicizing a stupendously long list of 108 anti-abortion MPs, most of them Conservatives. Actually, the list comprises those who oppose the awarding of the Order of Canada to Dr. Henry Morgentaler, but it’s safe to assume that MP’s who take a public position against the award have a problem with abortion rights.

This is in defiance of the sentiments of most Canadians since one of the few reputable polls done (Ipsos Reid, July) found that 65% of Canadians support the Order of Canada award for Dr. Morgentaler.

The large increase of known anti-choice MPs in Parliament spells trouble for abortion rights if Harper wins a majority Conservative government. We could easily be looking at a new Parliament with a clear majority of anti-choice MPs. Not only will they have the power to pass anti-abortion bills, they can be counted upon to use it. Prior to the election call, at least three private member bills were in play, which would either restrict abortion or endanger abortion rights. These bills will probably be re-introduced in the next session, along with a government bill making pregnancy an aggravating factor in assaults on women. We have not seen the wording of this latter bill, and some women’s groups fear it could also lead to restrictions on women’s rights.

Further, the Liberal caucus harbours a frightening number of anti-choice MPs – more than a quarter of them - 28%, compared to the 20% known in 2006. Stéphane Dion needs to make clear to his MPs and candidates that the Liberal Party is officially pro-choice. He must rein in his anti-choice MPs by requiring them to vote against anti-abortion bills, or at least absent themselves from abortion-related votes.

Ah well. If they eliminate abortion rights, I guess single parents can work and find daycare for their children on the Conservatives' $25 weekly child tax benefit.
 

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sailorsix said:
By that time the majority of folks will have seen how Harper will reduce woman's rights, will have seen the jails filled to no avail, will have seen the country divided more than even when we lived with separatists running Quebec.
You forgot to mention how Harper will force people at gunpoint to go to church, how he will throw the seniors out of the hospitals, change the national anthem to Der Horstwessellied, force school children to sing "All Hail to Harper, our Glorious King" every morning, how through his mysterious powers he will unleash the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
 

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sailorsix said:
A large part of his support comes from the bible thumpers
No, the bible thumpers were Stockwell Day supporters. Harper took over the Alliance from Day and his bible thumper allies and then, over the objections of the bible thumpers, merged with the PCs. The bible thumpers are sworn enemies of Mr Harper.
 

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sailorsix said:
Ah well. If they eliminate abortion rights, I guess single parents can work and find daycare for their children on the Conservatives' $25 weekly child tax benefit.
Harper has repeatedly and recently stated publically he has no intention of re-opening the abortion laws. You are jumping to conclusions that are incorrect.
 

sailorsix

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train said:
Harper has repeatedly and recently stated publically he has no intention of re-opening the abortion laws. You are jumping to conclusions that are incorrect.
Uh huh....sure that is exactly what he said. He said that HE would not re-open it but he also said that he would not stand in the way of others introducing bills.

so I guess that you think that bill C-484 and C537 never existed under his watch.

Uh Huh...sheeple.
 

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johnhenrygalt said:
No, the bible thumpers were Stockwell Day supporters. Harper took over the Alliance from Day and his bible thumper allies and then, over the objections of the bible thumpers, merged with the PCs. The bible thumpers are sworn enemies of Mr Harper.
The bible thumpers ARE part of Harpers Reform party. Just where do you think they went?
 

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You're about a decade behind the times. Harper quit the Reform party in 1997, and the party itself disbanded in 2000. Are you really that ignorant of current affairs?
 

johnhenrygalt

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sailorsix said:
Just where do you think they went?
I haven't kept track of all 17 of them. I think a few of them joined the Conservative Party, a few others retired from public life, and three or four are contemplating a new party.
 

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sailorsix said:
It'll be a harper majority and then you will see him stick religiously to the fixed dates for election law. he will suck on the power for the maximum amount of time.
Of course, those of us who know more then you, realized that the fixed election dates are not the maximum the constitution says he could stay in office.

sailorsix said:
The Reform party will dstroy the Canada that we know and four years from now will be the defining moment for Canada.
Of course, those of us who are older than you know that this same prediction was made about the conservatives in the 1988 election. Have you ever heard about the boy who called wolf?
sailorsix said:
The 4 years will also give the Liberals time to completely remake themselves
This is the only thing you said that is partly right. 4 years will give the liberals time to go back to first base, the same way the Peterson and Rae governments have he Ontario conservatives time to remake themselves. For liberals, a conservative majority is actually better than a minority. A minority means they would always have to be ready for an election. A majority would give them time to rethink issues like policy and leadership in a serous way.
 

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IMHO, whether you're a Liberal or Conservative, this country needs both of those parties to be strong. Arguably, the Conservatives are in a position of strength right now. I agree with GB, if they don't win a majority, there will be rumblings that Harper couldn't get a majority against such weak opposition (Dion) and he will have to keep that in mind. Dion will be gone after a suitable "mourning" period after this election, and the Liberals will rebuild. Harper will need to mind his p's and q's and be more inclusive with those in his own party or he find more than a few MPs with leadership aspirations sharpening their knives.
 

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The conservative party members are quite clear and emphatic about not reopening the abortion issue. For them to do otherwise would be quite surprising given the consistent clarity of their emphasis.

If the conservative party achieves a majority at any time probably they will repeal the same sex marriage legislation passed under the previous liberal government. They have been consistently clear and emphatic on this issue, although couching their official stance as objection to how the liberal's passed the legislation with officially a minor position on the actual same sex issue.
 

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No it did not change my mind, I will vote Liberal. Anything to stop a Harper majority. I wonder what "morality" clauses he has in mind to clamp down on prostitution.
 
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