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happygrump

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You live next door to a clean-cut, quiet guy. He never plays loud music or throws raucous parties. He doesn't gossip over the fence, just smiles politely and offers you some tomatoes. His lawn is cared-for, his house is neat as a pin and you get the feeling he doesn't always lock his front door. He wears Dockers. You hardly know he's there. And then one day you discover that he has pot in his basement, spends his weekends at peace marches and that guy you've seen mowing the yard is his spouse.

Allow me to introduce Canada. The Canadians are so quiet that you may have forgotten they're up there, but they've been busy doing some surprising things. It's like discovering that the mice you are dimly aware of in your attic have been building an espresso machine. Did you realize, for example, that our reliable little tag-along brother never joined the Coalition of the Willing?

Canada wasn't willing, as it turns out, to join the fun in Iraq. I can only assume American dinner menus weren't angrily changed to include freedom bacon, because nobody here eats the stuff anyway. And then there's the wild drug situation: Canadian doctors are authorized to dispense medical marijuana. Parliament is considering legislation that would not exactly legalize marijuana possession, as you may have heard, but would reduce the penalty for possession of under 15 grams to a fine, like a speeding ticket. This is to allow law enforcement to concentrate resources on traffickers; if your garden is full of wasps, it's smarter to go for the nest rather than trying to swat every individual bug. Or, in the United States, bong.

Now, here's the part that I, as an American, can't understand. These poor benighted pinkos are doing everything wrong. They have a drug problem: Marijuana offenses have doubled since 1991. And Canada has strict gun control laws, which means that the criminals must all be heavily armed, the law-abiding civilians helpless and the government on the verge of a massive confiscation campaign. (The laws have been in place since the '70s, but I'm sure the government will get around to the confiscation eventually.) They don't even have a death penalty! And yet ... nationally, overall crime in Canada has been declining since 1991. Violent crimes fell 13 percent in 2002. Of course, there are still crimes committed with guns brought in from the United States, which has become the major illegal weapons supplier for all of North America -- but my theory is that the surge in pot-smoking has rendered most criminals too relaxed to commit violent crimes. They're probably more focused on shoplifting boxes of Twinkies from convenience stores.

And then there's the most reckless move of all: Just last month, Canada decided to allow and recognize same-sex marriages. Merciful moose, what can they be thinking? Will there be married Mounties (they always get their man!)? Dudley Do-Right was sweet on Nell, not Mel! We must be the only ones who really care about families. Not enough to make sure they all have health insurance, of course, but more than those libertines up north.

This sort of behavior is a clear and present danger to all our stereotypes about Canada. It's supposed to be a cold, wholesome country of polite, beer-drinking hockey players, not founded by freedom-fighters in a Bloody revolution but quietly assembled by loyalists and royalists more interested in order and good government than liberty and independence. But if we are the rugged individualists, why do we spend so much of our time trying to get everyone to march in lockstep? And if Canadians are so reserved and moderate, why are they so progressive about letting people do what they want to? Canadians are, as a nation, less religious than we are, according to polls. As a result, Canada's government isn't influenced by large, well-organized religious groups and thus has more in common with those of Scandinavia than those of the United States, or, say, Iran.

Canada signed the Kyoto global warming treaty, lets 19-year-olds drink, has more of its population living in urban areas and accepts more immigrants per capita than the United States. These are all things we've been told will wreck our society. But I guess Canadians are different, because theirs seems oddly sound. Like teenagers, we fiercely idolize individual freedom but really demand that everyone be the same. But the Canadians seem more adult -- more secure. They aren't afraid of foreigners. They aren't afraid of homosexuality. Most of all, they're not afraid of each other. I wonder if America will ever be that cool.

Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (PA)
Author: Samantha Bennett
Published: Wednesday, July 30, 2003
Copyright: 2003 PG Publishing
 

BiggieE

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As far as the Coalition of the Willing is concerned,I give Canadians a pass because I view Canada and Canadians more as family than as allies. And like any family, they have views that are different from my own. I think Canada has some better ideas about some things, and Americans have some better ideas about others. We share so much common history with Canada, and yet some people on both sides of the border, refuse to recognize this. Aswith any family, we can disagree, yet if an outsider tries to butt in, we come to each others side....Like Brothers...
 
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Wow, almost had me standing up and singing O Canada at my computer. Great piece, thanks for posting happygrump.

I hope one of the ad agencies handling our tourism accounts picks this up.

Makes me proud that WE DO have some neighbours who appreciate us!!!

G's B.
 

liketowatch

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WOW,

I cant say I have read anything like this in a long time. TO be honest I get a little frustrated with how passive we can be at times, but put in perspective. it is a great place to live. The cultural diversity, is also frustrating at times, but what a great place to live.
Looking around at everything that is going on in the world (I just saw the latest Nepalese beheading execution video), I think what a great place to live.
I think every nation has it faults, as does Canada, and I do think the Americans foreign policies, have put them in a diffucult situation. They have made themselves, the global police force, but they are good neighbours and I am confident they would have our back in a second, however I go back to Canada,

What a great place to live.
 

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BiggieE said:
As far as the Coalition of the Willing is concerned,I give Canadians a pass because I view Canada and Canadians more as family than as allies. And like any family, they have views that are different from my own. I think Canada has some better ideas about some things, and Americans have some better ideas about others. We share so much common history with Canada, and yet some people on both sides of the border, refuse to recognize this. Aswith any family, we can disagree, yet if an outsider tries to butt in, we come to each others side....Like Brothers...
Very well put BiggieE.

One of the more intelligent things I have heard from Our American Bretheren.

Chivas Regal
 

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My view of Canada,not really interested in world views or in terrorism.They likem there booze and woman.America is like a big brother who they really they dispise,will go along only if it benefits them.A more peaceful country,more liberal and a haven for hectic Americans.I personaly dont think allowing same sex marriages will benefit them.Very beautiful country to go outdoors and enjoy its wonders,
 

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bbking said:
What a moron you are - for a Country our size we enjoy great prestige in the world and have been very active in world affairs over the years. As for terrorism, it was CDN planes that was over NY on 9/11 first as part of our commitment to Norad. How quickly idiots like you forget that we where the first Country to sign on for Afganistan. Lets go a little further back in time - when Americans where trapped in Iran - All the Western Countries had an embassy in Iran at the time but the American Embassy workers stuck on the street had one shot and one shot only at approaching an embassy for safe harbour and who did they pick, not the French, Italians, Spainish, Germans or even the British - they picked Canada because they knew that our Ambassoder would not wait for directions from above (since he knew what the answer would be) but act imediately, placing other CDNs in-country at great risk. We not only protected the Americans we got them the hell out the Country with CDN Passports which the Iranians believed because Canada would never stoop to such deception.
So just because we didn't wish to join the War in Iraq - you have decided that CDNs don't care what goes on in the world. We simply disagreed with the timing - something I may add that nearly 53% of your people now wonder about.
Your thoughts are born from ignorance my friend - kindly keep them and your white sheet to yourself.

As for same sex marriages - it is still open for debate, but our laws protecting minorities is the corner stone of our Constitution - something an ignorant person like yourself would not know. Like your Country the courts have told us that something has to be done with the current laws - when all is said in done I suspect both Countries will have laws about Civil Unions.


bbk
Your a dreamer and living in the past.Your country is very passive,which is probably good for you.You will make no enemies.Its a very nice country with fine people that i have met there.It would be a good place to live,i would like to retire there.
 

Von Wigglestaff

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Southern neighbours, don't kid yourselves.

There are just as many guns in Canada as there are in the USA. We just happen to be like the Swiss, we're discreet about it.

We've also had, traditionally, the toughest soldiers in the world. Battlefields like Vimy Ridge, Dieppe and Hong Kong affirms that status. Also Canada, contributed more troops per population than did the United States to D-day.

We are also on the front line on The War on Terror. Canada, along with Germany, are the mainstay's in NATO's urban crisis management forces in Afghanistan. Canadian soldiers are on the front line when it comes to protecting Kabul. It may not be enough, I'm expecting a Taliban counter-offensive to strike this winter. Then , my American neighbours, you'll see what Canadian soldiers are made of.
 

brat_man_7

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DonQuixote said:
I've always thought Canada was a more civil society.
I've been visiting your country since '64 and have always
found it to be a refuge from my chaotic, divisive and somewhat
schizoiphrenic country. Though you do have your problems
with the French and Western Provinces. Now if we can only
settle the logging issue and mad cow disease. The price of beef
down here is out of sight.

By the way, your women are drop dead gorgeous.

Don
Don you are a gentleman. Nice to have you as a neighbour.

Cheers.
 

brat_man_7

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BiggieE said:
As far as the Coalition of the Willing is concerned,I give Canadians a pass because I view Canada and Canadians more as family than as allies. And like any family, they have views that are different from my own. I think Canada has some better ideas about some things, and Americans have some better ideas about others. We share so much common history with Canada, and yet some people on both sides of the border, refuse to recognize this. Aswith any family, we can disagree, yet if an outsider tries to butt in, we come to each others side....Like Brothers...
Biggie,........... I agree totally.

Cheers
 

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DonQuixote said:
I've always thought Canada was a more civil society.
I've been visiting your country since '64 and have always
found it to be a refuge from my chaotic, divisive and somewhat
schizoiphrenic country.
DQ, IMHO the USA is the world's most open and generous nation. It's also the world's most competitive nation, a characteristic that almost always brings out the best of what American has to offer, but which, occasionally, spotlights America’s worst aspects.

Take pride in the former and ignore the latter – in my experience, there's a whole lot more "best" than there is "worst".

While the world in general, often without realizing it, benefits from America's greatness, some, Canada, in particular, both realizes and capitalizes on (whores from?) it - because we're such close neighbors (more of us than you may imagine are blood-related), Canadian politicians and policy-artists (most of whom are deluded nationalists and/or not blood-related – i.e. French) seize upon any opportunity to invoke their pro-European/anti-American agenda.

So what is it that I’m trying to say?

I think it’s this: Thanks to the security blanket provided by the citizens of the United States of America, Canada has charted an artificially unique identity. Not to say that this is altogether bad – between our 2 great nations, I can’t imagine spending much time anywhere else – but it certainly wouldn’t have been possible without America’s concurrence.

May God Bless America.
 

Von Wigglestaff

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I've heard it so many times before, a patronizing attitude such as Bushpilot doesn't faze me in the least. If I remember correctly the last time a war was fought in North America, the Americans lost.

During the Korean War who sent the large force to Pusan, stopping the North Koreans from overruning the country and buying General MacArthur some time for his counter-offensive, it was Canada baby. We could not only stand alone, we'd prosper as well. Being next door to the USA is as much of a curse as it is a blessing.

...and yes I do have family in the States.
 

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I'm a longtime lurker but have chosen this as the post to offer my two cents towards. Mainly because I am damn impressed by the (mostly) intelligent and respectful airing of ideas on a topic that can often bring out the worst of people on both sides of the borders. Its nice to know we can disagree and still get along, for the most part.

DonQuioxte, you had expressed some disbelief at the statistic that Canada has more guns than the US. You are absolutely correct that we dont have more guns here. The correct statistic is on a per capita basis We do have more legally owned firearms in Canada per person. This is a slightly misleading statistic in itself, however, because the vast majority of those firearms are rifles and shotguns ("long guns") as they can be bought and owned legally with a basic licence. Additional licences are required for pistol ownership, and that process is a much more rigorous one to pass. While I am not certain, I would suspect that in the US the ratio of handguns to long guns is much closer than in Canada.

WH
 

buffarg

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AS MANY GUNS AS AMERICA? Dude, I doubt Canada has an many guns as my relatives!

IIRC, Canadians are limitted(sic, I can never remember when to double letters) to two handguns (none with a barrel shorter than 4.5 in). Aren't there also limits on the number of long-guns Canadians can own? (you couldn't limit some of my family to buying two guns per year)

I remember an especially funny article against gun control: the author claimed that a study in Britain showed the British had as many non-gun acts of crime per capita as the US and cited that as evidence AGAINST gun control. Gee, they have far fewer shooting but as many beatings and robberies so gun control must be a failure...the mind boggles
 

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Re: Bushpilot

DonQuixote said:
We've lost our center. We've invaded without cause.
We've abandoned the Geneva Accords; we abandoned
treaties, we've spent billions on defense but our students
are underachieving, our cities are or are near bankruptcy,
we've lost hundreds of thousands of jobs, the rich are getting
beyond wealthy and the workers are stagnant, money controls
our political process, special interests are in control.

I'm an attorney that represents the middle class. What middle
class? Cleveland's economic future is futile. More than 30%
of the residents of Cleveland live in poverty. More than 50%
of our children live in poverty.

F**k the security blanket for the rest of the planet.
My people, my clients are withering and in dispair.
There's nothing great about falling into poverty.

Dwell on international politics all you want.
My neighbor is impoverished. God bless my people.
We need His blessing because my people are desparate.

If we can't provide a blanket of security for our own kind
who cares what happens elsewhere.

A very sad Don.
But you beat the Yankees 22-0 so life can't be that bad - although you're trailing my Twins by 7!

Education spending is soaring, unemployment at 5.5% is the average for the 90s, and home ownership has never been higher.... You live in a rustbelt city, Flint got hit hard as well and thus gave us M. Moore following the GM chairman around wondering why they closed a Pontiac plant.

OTB
 

happygrump

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The official unemployment in Cleveland is 12.5%. Source: The New Colonist, Cleveland.

Higher education spending in Cleveland, thanks to the Republicans, has fallen sharply. From The Plain Dealer:
The Republican-supported budget severely reduced spending for higher education. The Senate and House Democrats opposed all cuts made to higher education... Ohio ranks 42nd out of 50 states in higher education spending.

While unrelated, I find it somewhat predictably tiresome that the only comment made about the closing of the GM plant in Flint was that Moore made a film about it. Thousands of people were put out of work, the city and state's economy was thrown into a tailspin, lives were destroyed and retirements were crushed... but the only comment is about Michael Moore. Very sad indeed.
 

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Re: Bushpilot

DonQuixote said:
We've lost our center. We've invaded without cause.
We've abandoned the Geneva Accords....
A very sad Don.
Well-stated, DQ - I accept your argument, but there’re a couple of things I’d like to re-inforce and clarify.

1.In my claim that “It's [America] also the world's most competitive nation, a characteristic that almost always brings out the best of what American has to offer, but which, occasionally, spotlights America’s worst aspects�, I wasn’t trying to suggest that America is Utopia; I just wanted to express my sentiment that “there's a whole lot more "best" than there is "worst"� about America compared to the rest of the planet. And that Canada, more then any other country, has benefited the most from America’s greatness and our proximity to it: despite the best efforts of Pierre Trudeau and the Trudopian-left to “europaninize� the country.

2.Canadian liberals (Von Wigglestaff, for example) thrive on and exploit any weakness (real or perceived) in today's America as the rationale for claiming moral superiority over the USA – hogwash of the highest order - especially when the “weakness� is admitted to by an American - all-the-while ignoring, for purposes of external consumption, that the same weakness’ exist in Canada and are at least as bad, and in many cases, worse, than they are in America. A wholly dis-ingenuous lot they are, Canadian liberals, Trudopian conscripts to a losing cause. So, DQ, beware.

Don.
 

Warm Hands

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buffarg said:
AS MANY GUNS AS AMERICA? Dude, I doubt Canada has an many guns as my relatives!

IIRC, Canadians are limitted(sic, I can never remember when to double letters) to two handguns (none with a barrel shorter than 4.5 in). Aren't there also limits on the number of long-guns Canadians can own? (you couldn't limit some of my family to buying two guns per year)

To my knowledge there are no limits on the number of long guns one can own. I personally know someone who owns 34, with about 10 of them being pistols. And yes, 34 is not a typo. All weapons are legally owned and stored.

I was just as amazed when I read the statistic on gun ownership in Canada. But outside of the three major urban areas in Canada (Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver) there are a lot of hunters, I guess.

WH
 

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Von Wigglestaff said:
I've heard it so many times before, a patronizing attitude such as Bushpilot doesn't faze me in the least.... we could not only stand alone, we'd prosper as well. Being next door to the USA is as much of a curse as it is a blessing.
As for you, VW, I’ve only one suggestion: get a life. That “we could not only stand alone, we'd prosper as well� is plausibly true – after all, “stand[ing] alone� has worked well for Australia, sort of; not quite so well for New Zealand. In any event, your claim is hypothetical – as in “can you substantiate it?� I think not.

The reality, not the hypothesis, is that Canada, not Australia or New Zealand, lives adjacent to the United States of America. So the struggle for national and economic independence from the United States, if that’s the game, is ours alone. Assuming that’s the case (a liberal stance; not mine), the problem for liberals is that Canada has forfeited its sovereignty, both economically and militarily, to America. So while we whine, whinge, and benefit from America’s graciousness and generosity, dickheads like you seek to undermine the relationship between the 2 countries.

Concentrate on whatever it is that you do best, VW, (teaching school; collecting garbage…whatever), and try to forget about the need to comment on foreign policy – it’s way over your head.
 
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