American Lunacy Continues

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A 15-year-old girl who performed at President Obama's inauguration last week was shot dead Tuesday while hanging out with friends after school in bullet-scarred Chicago.

Hadiya Pendleton -- described by family as a “walking angel” -- was standing under a canopy in Vivian Gordon Harsh Park when a gunman ran down an alley, opened fire and fled in a white car, police said.

Pendleton was shot in the back but managed to run about a block before she collapsed, officer Laura Kubiak said. She died at the hospital.

A 16-year-old boy was wounded in the 2:20 p.m. incident. Police said Pendleton, who had no criminal record, was probably not the intended target.

“Never in a million years did I think I would get a call that my own baby had been gunned down,” Pendleton’s mother, Cleo Cowley, said through tears from her Chicago home.


She said she was at work Tuesday afternoon when she got an unexpected call from one of her daughter’s friends.

“She was screaming on the phone that Hadiya’s been shot, she’s been shot, and I just didn’t understand,” said Cowley.

She and other relatives described the teen as a honor student, an insatiable reader who still found time to play volleyball and a twirl a baton in the school marching band.

“As usual, the bad guy aims, but he never hits the other bad guy . . . He hits the one that hurts the most to lose,” the victim’s godfather, Damon Stewart, 36, who is a police officer, told the Chicago Sun-Times.

“I changed her diapers, I played with her growing up. My heart is broken.”

A sophomore at selective King College Prep High School, Pendleton had traveled to Washington to perform with the band at inaugural events.

“It was the highlight of her young 15-year-old life,” Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., said Wednesday at a Senate hearing on gun violence.

“Just a matter of days after the happiest day of her life, she’s gone.”

Cousin Shatira Wilks said the upcoming inauguration trip was the talk of a family gathering around New Year’s, but the young majorette was even more excited about something else: plans to travel to Europe this spring with the band.

“She was an honor student all her life,” Wilks said. “Honestly, she was a walking angel. She never once gave her mom any problems ever.”

Wilks said the teen doted on her 10-year-old brother, Junior, who is devastated.

“At Christmas this year, she was designated the elf and she handed out all the gifts,” she recalled.

“She loved rock music. She was always listening and playing to music,” Wilks said,. “What you would usually catching her doing is texting on her phone, like all the teenagers.”

Pendleton last tweeted just before 1 a.m. on Tuesday. “I’m tired,” she wrote.

Many of her classmates changed their Twitter handles to honor her and decried the violence that had claimed an innocent life.

“You are more than loved and missed,” one wrote. “Your laugh smile and silly happy personality has made my day more times than I can remember. Nobody deserves this, especially not you.”

Friends of the young majorette described her as a bubbly, well-liked student.

“She was always smiling and laughing,” said Tyler Genovesi, 14. “She was just a really nice person. … There’s a lot of people crying in school today. It’s very sad. The band is playing for her right now.”

Pendleton's murder was one of three shooting deaths in the city on Tuesday. More than 40 people have been shot dead in Chicago since the beginning of the year. There were 506 homicides in the city last year, a 16 percent increase even as other large cities, like New York, saw murders drop.

“We are awash in guns,” Durbin said, noting that six times as many guns as confiscated in Chicago as in New York each year. We have guns everywhere and some believe the solution to this is more guns. I disagree.”

Cowley broke down sobbing when she was told that her daughter’s death had been mentioned in the Senate.

“Something does need to change,” she said. “Where are the guns coming from? I don’t own a gun. My daughter was not violent. I never would have thought she would die like this.”
 

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Chicago has along with the City of New York the most restrictive firearms laws in the U.S.

Obviously, highly restrictive firearms laws don't have particularly great effect when criminals with no respect for the law are able to illegally procure firearms.


Needless to say this was a horrible and disgusting shooting.
 

frankcastle

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Chicago has along with the City of New York the most restrictive firearms laws in the U.S.

Obviously, highly restrictive firearms laws don't have particularly great effect when criminals with no respect for the law are able to illegally procure firearms.


Needless to say this was a horrible and disgusting shooting.
Let's not judge based on single events.

But keep in mind that illegal guns in the US can largely be traced back to shady dealers under the guise of being legit gun dealers or people buying guns for other people.
 

HEYHEY

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Let's not judge based on single events.

But keep in mind that illegal guns in the US can largely be traced back to shady dealers under the guise of being legit gun dealers or people buying guns for other people.
there were over 500 such single events last year in chicago, in a place with the most strict gun laws in usa.
a place where hand guns are BANNED and 500+ murders by guns, who would have thought. in toronto handguns aren't banned and we only had about 50.

I guess banning guns really is the solution
 

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there were over 500 such single events last year in chicago, in a place with the most strict gun laws in usa.
a place where hand guns are BANNED and 500+ murders by guns, who would have thought. in toronto handguns aren't banned and we only had about 50.

I guess banning guns really is the solution
How does Chicago suffer from the most rampant gun violence in the country despite having some of the nation’s most restrictive gun laws? Because most of the guns come from shops right outside the city limits, firearms reach the city from every state in the union. This is an indication of why there needs to be stricter federal regulations that supersede the state and local laws.
 

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How does Chicago suffer from the most rampant gun violence in the country despite having some of the nation’s most restrictive gun laws? Because most of the guns come from shops right outside the city limits, firearms reach the city from every state in the union. This is an indication of why there needs to be stricter federal regulations that supersede the state and local laws.
That's right more laws . Can't enforce the one's that they have now so let's make some knew one's .

Better yet let's make a law that it is illegal to murder some one . Let's see if that one will work . I'm sure that the gangs and wackos will follow that one .

Better yet how about a law that makes buying and selling drugs illegal . Think that one will work ???

Maybe they should just enforce the laws that they have now and see if that works .
 

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Maybe they should just enforce the laws that they have now and see if that works .
I agree. But to make a claim like HeyHey did above, is just misleading. No one, even gun advocates, dispute the fact that 90% of guns in chicago, come from out of the city or state.
 

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How does Chicago suffer from the most rampant gun violence in the country despite having some of the nation’s most restrictive gun laws? Because most of the guns come from shops right outside the city limits, firearms reach the city from every state in the union. This is an indication of why there needs to be stricter federal regulations that supersede the state and local laws.
+1 totally agree....guns from Indiana are quite popular with the chicago gangs.
 

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Chicago has along with the City of New York the most restrictive firearms laws in the U.S.

Obviously, highly restrictive firearms laws don't have particularly great effect when criminals with no respect for the law are able to illegally procure firearms.


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Obviously not strict enough.

Toronto and London England (actually it's Canada and Britain) both have far far stricter gun laws than Chicago or NYC and the gun crime rate here is a fraction of what it is in the USA. (And you know it.)

Perhaps simply having a strict gun law in a singular city is not effective and you need strict gun laws for the entire country.

Lastly, maybe the problem is far more complex than just simply guns, and the American gun culture - it's way more complex than that. I hate to use this lefty term, but maybe there are "root causes" that go way beyond lack of respect for guns.
 

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Chicago has along with the City of New York the most restrictive firearms laws in the U.S.

Obviously, highly restrictive firearms laws don't have particularly great effect when criminals with no respect for the law are able to illegally procure firearms.


Needless to say this was a horrible and disgusting shooting.
when you write things like this, it makes me think you are some unfeeling lawyer type.

chicago and new york don't have moats around them. they can't search people who can buy guns freely across the municipal boundaries. the restrictive gun laws are not a failure, but they cant stem the flow of guns from the rest of the usa.
 

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legal system is a joke. no one is afraid to go to jail. hand out a real punishment and stick to it, no appeals or bullshit.

1st offense = 1 year in prison taught a skill
2nd offense = 1 year in prison, skill upgrade, basic food requirement to stay alive
3rd offense = death

then people may actually be afraid of the law and what it can do. it would also save some fucking money. also empty the prisons by way of death penalty now so people know you are serious. that will free up a lot of money that can be dumped back into the community to help get people away from the violent lifestyle they are living in.
 

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Chicago has along with the City of New York the most restrictive firearms laws in the U.S.

Obviously, highly restrictive firearms laws don't have particularly great effect when criminals with no respect for the law are able to illegally procure firearms.


Needless to say this was a horrible and disgusting shooting.
there were over 500 such single events last year in chicago, in a place with the most strict gun laws in usa.
a place where hand guns are BANNED and 500+ murders by guns, who would have thought. in toronto handguns aren't banned and we only had about 50.

I guess banning guns really is the solution

You gun fanatics are a joke, you always cherry pick to suit your agenda.

Both New York and Chicago are mentioned but you only comment on Chicago which has strict gun laws and high gun homicides, and thus you draw conclusions that gun bans don't work, lmao. How about New York? Why no mention of this city? New York has a much larger population than Chicago, over 8 million compared to just under 3 million for Chicago, but New York has about 20% less gun homicides. Imagine that, a city with three times the population had 20% less gun homicides. Both have the strictest gun laws in the country. Why no comment on New York? Cause it deflates your argument about gun laws. You also forgot to mention most of the illegal guns in New York come from outside the city and state, not an excuse, just to highlight that if more states around the city have stricter gun laws, it might help to reduce homicides, but only way to know for sure is to try it.

btw, New York just introduced further gun restrictions in January, 2013 and probably has the toughest gun laws in US now, I guess their belief is more gun laws, less gun homicides. Imagine that, what a concept.

I believe Chicago needs Rudy Giuliani as Mayor, he'll clean up that city like he did in New York.
 

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so what will you guys say if lets say all guns are banned in usa? you don't think that CRIMINALS will get them some other place??
dummies lol
 

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so what will you guys say if lets say all guns are banned in usa? you don't think that CRIMINALS will get them some other place??
dummies lol
if the gun control methods of canada seem to work, why wouldn't they work in the u.s ?
 

simon482

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where would they get them? please explain, i need a good laugh
i can run out right now and have a gun in about 1-2 hours if i wanted. you kinda gave me a good laugh thinking that guns can't be found other than by legal ways.
 

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i can run out right now and have a gun in about 1-2 hours if i wanted. you kinda gave me a good laugh thinking that guns can't be found other than by legal ways.
well if theyre all banned, including the manufacturers...where would you get them?.. Mexico?...CHina?...
 
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