American Airlines Plane and Black Hawk collide mid air. Large number dead.

Josephine

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All airline crashes, unless intentionally suicide by the pilot, are avoidable.

Trump just blamed DEI... So again it's the fault of gay women and/or transgender...
You are right. They are all avoidable. However, the guy on the post says it would be even more avoidable if all had an anticollision device. I thought they had that already? Is it because it was an army helicopter?

F*%& Trump really...
 

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You are right. They are all avoidable. However, the guy on the post says it would be even more avoidable if all had an anticollision device. I thought they had that already? Is it because it was an army helicopter?

F*%& Trump really...
They most probably had anti-collision devices—they all do. But those are shut down below 1000 feet, I guess, for takeoff and landing. An aviation expert could tell us why. A theory is that the helicopters may have responded that he had a visual of the aircraft but mistook it for other aircraft that was close by (you can see it in the footage).

It will take months to discover the real cause. Until then anyone doing politics over the tragedy should burn in hell! Imagine serveral members of US and Russian skating team were unboard 😭
 

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They most probably had anti-collision devices—they all do. But those are shut down below 1000 feet, I guess, for takeoff and landing. An aviation expert could tell us why. A theory is that the helicopters may have responded that he had a visual of the aircraft but mistook it for other aircraft that was close by (you can see it in the footage).

It will take months to discover the real cause. Until then anyone doing politics over the tragedy should burn in hell! Imagine serveral members of US and Russian skating team were unboard 😭
Yeah that's what the guys said in his post. Nor sure why POTUS is making it political.
 
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From what I know about the airspace in the DCA Control Zone, this was almost an inevitable collision.

The Army helo's are operating wayyyyyy too close to civilian airliners at such a critical flight segment of landing.

The helo's are required to remain at or below 200' AGL and "see and avoid" traffic that is or is not pointed out to the Army crew. Two things...one is that it is pretty hard to identify an aircraft at night with all those lights being so close to the ground when you are also close to the ground. Second is that it only takes a few seconds to stop paying attention and bust that 200' altitude restriction and drift up a couple hundred feet. And this collision occured at 400' AGL. So the Army helicopter was completely at fault.

And yes, the airliner would have a Traffic Collision Avoidance System. But, Resolution Advisories (instructions on whether to climb or descend) are inhibited on approach (and below 1,000' AGL). I don't know about the Army Helo tho... In any case, both the airliner and helo were aware of each other as they had been advised by the Tower Controller of each other. In fact, the helo had been instructed to pass behind the airliner. Obviously they helo didn't do so. Why the helo pilot and crew failed to see (?) and avoid the airliner is the Million Dollar question. My gut feeling speculation is that it was simply human factors.
 
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Latest I saw from my New York Times feed is that there was one air controller doing a job usually covered by two.

The controller who was handling helicopters in the airport's vicinity was also instructing planes that were landing and departing from its runways. Those jobs are typically assigned to two controllers, rather than one.
 

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Latest I saw from my New York Times feed is that there was one air controller doing a job usually covered by two.

The controller who was handling helicopters in the airport's vicinity was also instructing planes that were landing and departing from its runways. Those jobs are typically assigned to two controllers, rather than one.
The helos have a separate frequency than regular traffic at DCA but I don't think a separate Tower Controller. But even if there was a separate Tower Controller for helo traffic and their responsibility was being taken by the 'regular' Tower Controller, it's a moot point. The Tower Controller advised the helo pilot of the Regional Jet's presence, the Helo pilot acknowledged visual identification of the jet a minute before the collision and closer to the point of impact, the Tower Controller instructed the helo to pass behind the RJ. So the Tower Controller did his job. But one thing I'm a bit baffled by is why the Tower Controller didn't call out the Army helo for being above his 200' altitude limit. The helo would have to have a Mode C altitude reporting transponder and the altitude of both aircraftr should have triggered a loss of separation in the Air Traffic Control radar computer.

And to all those Trumptards crying DEI... I'm a cunning linguist and BOTH the Tower Controller AND the helo pilot sure sound mighty WHITE to me.. and both sound like men. And Donnie already kicked all the trans people out of the military so.... You chumps believe whatever Trump is whining about to be true. Talk about sheeple!
 

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Watch this and get a good, first hand, understanding of what actually went on.

 
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