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langeweile said:
http://www.capitaleye.org/abramoff.asp

After all the excitement turns out Abramoff played both sides of the fence. He got what he deserved.


BTW this is a neutral site.
Abramoff HIMSELF did not play both sides of the fence. He gave ONLY to Rethugs.

The site is misleading: "Here is a detailed look at Abramoff's lobbying, and political contributions from Abramoff, the tribes that hired him, and SunCruz Casinos, since 1999."

The tribes that Abramoff was hired by did -- yes -- give contributions to both Dems and Rethugs. Those were legitimate contributions.

If you isolate JUST those Inidan clients of his, you will find that Abramoff directed them to give more of their money to Rethugs than they had before. However, those were legit contributions.

No matter how you twist it, lange, this is a Republican scandal. Just ask Rich Lowry, for one.
 

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TOVisitor said:
Abramoff HIMSELF did not play both sides of the fence. He gave ONLY to Rethugs.

The site is misleading: "Here is a detailed look at Abramoff's lobbying, and political contributions from Abramoff, the tribes that hired him, and SunCruz Casinos, since 1999."

The tribes that Abramoff was hired by did -- yes -- give contributions to both Dems and Rethugs. Those were legitimate contributions.

If you isolate JUST those Inidan clients of his, you will find that Abramoff directed them to give more of their money to Rethugs than they had before. However, those were legit contributions.

No matter how you twist it, lange, this is a Republican scandal. Just ask Rich Lowry, for one.
All contributions are legitimate unless they were used as payoffs for votes. Doesn't matter if it came directly from Abramoff's firm, or was directed by Abramoff's firm. Harry Reid's letter that resulted in a $5,000 check being sent the next day is an example of a possible influence for money impropriety.
 

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arclighter said:
All contributions are legitimate unless they were used as payoffs for votes. Doesn't matter if it came directly from Abramoff's firm, or was directed by Abramoff's firm. Harry Reid's letter that resulted in a $5,000 check being sent the next day is an example of a possible influence for money impropriety.
one thing dingy harry knows is money and how to get it
 

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TOVisitor said:
Abramoff HIMSELF did not play both sides of the fence. He gave ONLY to Rethugs.

The site is misleading: "Here is a detailed look at Abramoff's lobbying, and political contributions from Abramoff, the tribes that hired him, and SunCruz Casinos, since 1999."

The tribes that Abramoff was hired by did -- yes -- give contributions to both Dems and Rethugs. Those were legitimate contributions.

If you isolate JUST those Inidan clients of his, you will find that Abramoff directed them to give more of their money to Rethugs than they had before. However, those were legit contributions.

No matter how you twist it, lange, this is a Republican scandal. Just ask Rich Lowry, for one.
Oh boy are you on the sauce again?

READ the stats...

http://www.capitaleye.org/abramoff_recips.asp?sort=N

and now tell me how many D's you see on the list?

and BTW...this is not about R vs D...this is about corruption in politics....period.Get it??
 

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langeweile said:
Oh boy are you on the sauce again?

READ the stats...

http://www.capitaleye.org/abramoff_recips.asp?sort=N

and now tell me how many D's you see on the list?

and BTW...this is not about R vs D...this is about corruption in politics....period.Get it??
But if Abramoff tells one his clients to donate money to Harry Reid in exchange for a letter supporting their position, that is different than Abramoff giving the money directly. Or is it? Wait a second....
 

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Why is it that the left get's very technical laywer like on issues pretaining to them? But fail to use the same "objectivity":rolleyes: , when it comes to their own?
I guees the fact that laywers are some of the largest money contributors to political parties, has some impact here...

Kill the laywers...
 

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DonQuixote said:
The system is broke. But noone knows how to
fix it. Kinda reminds me of the children's rhyme.

'Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall.
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the king's horses and all the kings men
Couldn't put Humpty Dumpty together again'.

The best Congress money can buy.
Vote Anarchist. For a real change.
They know how to fix it. They don't have the stones to do it.
 

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papasmerf

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DonQuixote said:
She fits right in with the rest of the Beltway crowd.
Take your pick. It's all about money. The system
is broke; broke yet flush with cash.
Flush should be the sound heard when talking hillery
 

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Good try, lange

langeweile said:

http://mydd.com/story/2006/2/9/163540/9804

Checking the latest headlines at Yahoo! News a few minutes ago, I was shocked to read that "Reid Aided Abramoff Clients, Records Show." Immediately, I clicked on it to get the story. My first impression was that, unless I wanted to be a complete and total hypocrite, I'd better post a criticism of Harry Reid, and fast. After all, if the leader of the Senate Democrats was indeed caught red-handed doing Jack Abramoff's bidding, we'd need to immediately marginalize him so as to not lose the upper hand in a debate about lobbying, ethics, and bribery. But as I started to read the article, I smelled a smear.

The first clue was that Senator Reid has a long history of protecting gambling in Nevada from outside competition. He does, after all, represent Las Vegas. So the fact that he sought to keep Indian casinos from expanding off of their reservations, while I may not necessarily agree, makes sense. He didn't need lobbyists telling him what to do on the issue, as he'd held that position long before they'd ever come knocking. But still... the article's a long one. I wasn't quite ready to dismiss it.

The story totally lost credibility for me when it got to mentioning the Marianas Islands. By now, you're probably aware of the fact that one of Abramoff's pet projects was maintaining a low minimum wage in U.S. territories not subject to the federal minimum wage. This was of interest to the Republicans because manufacturers could exploit the territories' low wages to essentially create a sweatshop environment without completely having to leave America. This AP story tries to imply that Reid was complicit in this plot.

< insert AP story here>

The kicker, of course, is that for all of their effort, Reid never supported the Abramoff position. The very definition of "quid pro quo" is "this for that." In politics, this means something valuable like money or gifts for a politician's votes or some other form of official support. In this case, though Reid or his staffers may have taken meetings on the subject, it never amounted to anything. In other words, there may have been quid, but there was no quo. So this convoluted story is just that -- a convoluted story. No climax, no punchline, and most importantly, no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Reid.

For a variety of reasons, some of which I still don't get, the old fashioned media wants very badly for this to be a bipartisan scandal. This is only the latest attempt to make it so. But by leaving out such key information as the fact that Reid never supported the Republicans on the Marianas, the whole story is called into question.

Let’s look at the facts:

Abramoff is a convicted criminal. He pled guilty, in Federal courts, to the following:

* Defrauding the Indian Tribes
* Tax evasion
* Conspiracy to bribe a Repbican Congressman (Bob Ney) with material gifts and lavish trips
* Bank fraud in the purchase of the SunCruz casino deal

Now, looking at this article, how is Harry Reid implicated in any of these charges? He wasn't.
 

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Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid wrote at least four letters helpful to Indian tribes represented by Jack Abramoff, and the senator's staff regularly had contact with the disgraced lobbyist's team about legislation affecting other clients.

The activities _ detailed in billing records and correspondence obtained by The Associated Press _ are far more extensive than previously disclosed. They occurred over three years as Reid collected nearly $68,000 in donations from Abramoff's firm, lobbying partners and clients.
Oh really?
I guess I am miss reading this somehow???
 

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TOVisitor said:
Once again, check what Abramoff pleaded guilty to, and then tell us what Reid did wrong.
HE"S BACK
 

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Abramoff says he met Bush "almost a dozen" times By Andy Sullivan

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Jack Abramoff said in correspondence made public on Thursday that President Bush met him "almost a dozen" times, disputing White House claims Bush did not know the former lobbyist at the center of a corruption scandal.

"The guy saw me in almost a dozen settings, and joked with me about a bunch of things, including details of my kids. Perhaps he has forgotten everything, who knows," Abramoff wrote in an e-mail to Kim Eisler, national editor for the Washingtonian magazine.

Abramoff added that Bush also once invited him to his Texas ranch.

How do you reconcile that with Bush's statement that he barely knew Abramoff?
 
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