A new study suggests 3 feet, not 6 feet, is sufficient distance

Mr.Know-It-All

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Next study will say that 1 feet is equally safe... in other words, there was never a need for social distancing at all.

 

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Next study will say that 1 feet is equally safe... in other words, there was never a need for social distancing at all.

I don't believe there's much transmission outdoors, people in lineups wearing masks and even people in reduces numbers in stores. I think most of the transmission is occurring between unmasked people, indoors withing 6' of each other for a period of 15 minutes or more.
 
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I don't believe there's much transmission outdoors, people in lineups wearing masks and even people in reduces numbers in stores. I think most of the transmission is occurring between unmasked people, indoors withing 6' of each other for a period of 15 minutes or more.
Like in TTC subway, streetcar or a bus.
 
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Next study will say that 1 feet is equally safe... in other words, there was never a need for social distancing at all.

Just like TJ!

A new study suggests 3 feet, not 6 feet, is sufficient distance for school students, with mask-wearing and other safety measures kept in place.


PLEASE NOTE IT SAYS WITH MASK WEARING!!!!!!
 

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Next study will say that 1 feet is equally safe... in other words, there was never a need for social distancing at all.

That's the problem with scientist and new viruses. They don't know much until they know a bit more. That's the basic of research.

6 feet came out of scientific common sense based on what they knew back then.
 

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Do I wear 3 masks or 6? How many diapers?
 
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Can a workplace enforce a mandatory vaccine?
According to Puneet Tiwari, a legal counsel at HR advisory firm Peninsula, legally in Canada, employers cannot make it a mandatory condition of employment to get a COVID-19 vaccine, but they can strongly suggest that their employees get it.


“There is currently no legislation under which an employer would have grounds to terminate an employee for not getting a COVID-19 vaccination,” Tiwari says. “Doing this could expose a business to the risk of wrongful dismissal claims.”
Tiwari says workplaces could introduce policies encouraging non-vaccinated workers to continue working from home as a possible solution.

Will The COVID-19 Vaccine Be Mandatory? What You Need To Know | HuffPost Canada News (huffingtonpost.ca)
 
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Can a workplace enforce a mandatory vaccine?
According to Puneet Tiwari, a legal counsel at HR advisory firm Peninsula, legally in Canada, employers cannot make it a mandatory condition of employment to get a COVID-19 vaccine, but they can strongly suggest that their employees get it.


“There is currently no legislation under which an employer would have grounds to terminate an employee for not getting a COVID-19 vaccination,” Tiwari says. “Doing this could expose a business to the risk of wrongful dismissal claims.”
Tiwari says workplaces could introduce policies encouraging non-vaccinated workers to continue working from home as a possible solution.

Will The COVID-19 Vaccine Be Mandatory? What You Need To Know | HuffPost Canada News (huffingtonpost.ca)
According to Howard Levitt (Canada's top labour lawyer), what Puneet Tiwari is wrong.

Put yourself in this position: You are an employer, panicked at the risks of COVID-19 transmission in your workplace. If found sufficiently liable, you face up to a $10-million fine for carelessness towards COVID-19 under the Ontario Emergency Management and Civil Protection Act (there are similar statutes in other provinces). You would face additional massive fines under the Occupational Health and Safety Act. And let’s not forget, an employer that has been found sufficiently wanton could potentially face a year in jail.

On top of those threats, if employers fail to keep their workplace adequately safe, in compliance with the relevant standard of care prescribed by the public health authorities, you also face the well-trodden action of negligence. Ill employees entering the workplace and infecting co-workers, customers or vendors or those individuals transmit it to their families or others as a result of insufficient precautions could result in legal actions against you, with court decisions potentially in the millions of dollars. Most Canadian employers would be rendered insolvent.


If the workers in question are covered by The Workplace Safety and Insurance Board, then the employer will avoid the lawsuit, at least with respect to their own workers, but will quickly see their WSIB premiums surge.

You look for a magic bullet permitting you to sleep at night. And there is one solution, which with certainty will avoid every one of those risks. If you require all workers to vaccinate, respite will be yours, and none of the perils mentioned above can befall you. Negligence, as well as the public health statutes, is based upon employers falling below a reasonable standard of care and employees being stricken as a result. No one can challenge an employer, who insists on their employees’ vaccinations, as negligent. No one.

Given those stark choices, which employer will not leap with alacrity and insist upon vaccinations.

But can they?

Under our employment laws, safety trumps privacy. In addition, negligence is based upon non-compliance with the prevailing standard of care.

Once public health authorities deem it appropriate to recommend vaccinations for everyone and vaccines are sufficiently available to enable that, there will be a strong argument that not requiring vaccinations will be negligent. Even now, before all of that has occurred, there is no doubt that employees who deal with those susceptible to COVID-19, such as hospital workers or aides in long term care homes, can be forced to vaccinate on pain of dismissal for cause. The same, in my view, applies to any employee with regular contact with the public or who works in close proximity with others, such as a retail worker or an employee on factory floors.


But once public health recommends it for everyone, there is little doubt that the same will be true for any employee who works with others. Obviously, there is no basis to require vaccinations for employees who work entirely remotely but, as vaccinations become de rigueur and offices reopen, there will be much fewer of those.

In addition to avoiding liability, employers requiring vaccines will become the employer of choice for staff and customers will prefer attending their stores and offices. As vaccine rollouts accelerate, those having to avoid working in the office to protect vulnerable family members will no longer be able to claim that and employers will be able to order them back to work.

The trend to compulsory mainstream vaccinations may start here with U.S. companies imposing their requirements on their Canadian branches. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) said that U.S. employers could require employees to be vaccinated against the flu in its 2009 guidance on the pandemic.

The only exceptions could be employees who have genuine religious restrictions against vaccination and those with disabilities prohibiting it. In that case, employers, under human rights law, will have to attempt to provide their workers some reasonable alternative to continuing to work. It cannot be based on a personal religion but a recognized religion, the central tenets of which prohibit vaccines.


If remote work is feasible or sufficient safety can be afforded through wearing a mask or having those employees work separated from all others, then that must be permitted to those employees who have a religious or medical exemption. Not to others. But if the employee cannot be accommodated, then they cannot continue in their employment and, at the very least, would have to be laid off, if not fired.

Many legal commentators have stated that employees cannot be forced to be vaccinated. They are wrong. They are relying on old arbitration cases involving vaccinations for the flu, at a time when the flu vaccine was found not to be very effective little more than half the time. Not with the 95 per cent efficacy of the COVID-19 vaccines. In addition, the flu is not virulent. Most importantly, it has not shut down our economy and reduced many to penury.

https://financialpost.com/executive...get-vaccinated-but-who-does-the-law-side-with
 

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According to Howard Levitt (Canada's top labour lawyer), what Puneet Tiwari is wrong.
Howard Levitt is the heavyweight of labor law! I hope he represents CM's employer when they bring down all employees must be vaccinated policy. :eek:
 
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According to Howard Levitt (Canada's top labour lawyer), what Puneet Tiwari is wrong.

A lawyer's opinion is not law. Under employment laws employers cannot force their workers to take medications which includes vaccinations
 

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A lawyer's opinion is not law. Under employment laws employers cannot force their workers to take medications which includes vaccinations
Howard explained that.

"Many legal commentators have stated that employees cannot be forced to be vaccinated. They are wrong. They are relying on old arbitration cases involving vaccinations for the flu, at a time when the flu vaccine was found not to be very effective little more than half the time. Not with the 95 per cent efficacy of the COVID-19 vaccines. In addition, the flu is not virulent. Most importantly, it has not shut down our economy and reduced many to penury."

Constitutionally, the Government can’t force every single person to get the vaccine, but don't be surprised if there's some restrictions that arise for those who opt out.

In any event, an employer can fire an employee for anything. All they have to do is pay them severance.
 

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Except discrimination falls afoul of human rights code and gets said employers ass sued
Health and safety will trump your fantasy!

Air Canada is already talking about Vaccine Passports for international flights! I LOVE IT!!!

Work and pleasure denied to the anti vaxxer/anti maskers is a wet dream!
 

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Health and safety will trump your fantasy!
There is a reason they call it The Trump Card
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Air Canada is already talking about Vaccine Passports for international flights! I LOVE IT!!!
They also are talking nonsense about negative covid tests and quarantine hotels

Are you loving how well that worked once people realized they had rights and can simply refuse?

Work and pleasure denied to the anti vaxxer/anti maskers is a wet dream!
So are you officially voting Communist in the next election comrade?
 

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There is a reason they call it The Trump Card
Make poker great again!


They also are talking nonsense about negative covid tests and quarantine hotels

Are you loving how well that worked once people realized they had rights and can simply refuse?


So are you officially voting Communist in the next election comrade?
Most DO NOT refuse and for the ones that do, the fines can be massive!!! Your own David laughs like a moron Menzie recites the fines all the time and cries why most comply. Watch our own Rebel News videos and get the cloud out of your head so you can actually look at something and see what regular people see.
 
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Most DO NOT refuse and for the ones that do, the fines can be massive!!! Your own David laughs like a moron Menzie recites the fines all the time and cries why most comply. Watch our own Rebel News videos and get the cloud out of your head so you can actually look at something and see what regular people see.
What fines?


I seriously think you need some mental health help

Imaginary virus
Imaginary symptoms
Irrational fear of death
Antisocial behaviour (hiding your face and hiding at home)

And now imaginary fines?
 

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What fines?


I seriously think you need some mental health help

Imaginary virus
Imaginary symptoms
Irrational fear of death
Antisocial behaviour (hiding your face and hiding at home)

And now imaginary fines?
Please don't ever let facts get in the way of your idiocy and lunacy.

The only help I need is to fast-track my jab so I can get back to banging like a rabbit!! You on the other hand CAMH is your friend.


Breaking quarantine or isolation
Violating any instructions provided to you when entering Canada is an offence under the Quarantine Act and could lead to one or both of the following:

  • a fine of up to $750,000
  • up to 6 months in prison
If a person breaks mandatory quarantine or isolation requirements, and causes the death of or serious bodily harm to another person, they could face one or both of the following:

  • a fine of up to $1,000,000
  • up to 3 years in prison
 
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