A FOREWARNING

[bazokajoe]

It's not a matter of CAN

It's a matter of HOW MUCH, WHY, EGREGIOUS USE OF POWER, HARASSNENT, AND PROBABLE CAUSE.

When you are stopping university professors from entry because they expressed a negative view online, not a threat, just Trump Sucks, or just because they feel like it against someone who has crossed numerous times in the past, then yes, fuck them, I have better places to spend my tourist cash.

Make me unwelcome at the door, I won't come in.

Some how I don't think they care.

 

[Butler1000]

Some how I don't think they care.

Which is the other point. And why myself and so many others aren't going to cross. They are going to lose 10's of billions in money coming in, just as tourist season is being booked. You ate out on the Niagara region, you know with the margins just how bad that can be.

It's not just Canada. Europe and Asia are canceling as well. But we are 30% of foreign tourism. And flight bookings are down 80%. Hotel numbers will follow.

 

[bazokajoe]

Which is the other point. And why myself and so many others aren't going to cross. They are going to lose 10's of billions in money coming in, just as tourist season is being booked. You ate out on the Niagara region, you know with the margins just how bad that can be.

It's not just Canada. Europe and Asia are canceling as well. But we are 30% of foreign tourism. And flight bookings are down 80%. Hotel numbers will follow.

Well you know what, maybe Canada will benefit greatly from people travelling to Canada instead of the US. Canada is a beautiful country and so much to see from coast to coast.
Instead of worrying about being searched at the border which so many people here are paranoids about, travel within Canada and see how great it is.

 

[Butler1000]

Well you know what, maybe Canada will benefit greatly from people travelling to Canada instead of the US. Canada is a beautiful country and so much to see from coast to coast.
Instead of worrying about being searched at the border which so many people here are paranoids about, travel within Canada and see how great it is.

I actually hit your neck of the woods once a year. I had already planned my two trips this year to Mexico and England, expecting a shit show in the USA.

Next year the discussion is an east coast road trip, or an Ottawa/Montreal run. I agree, it will be good for the nation, and not just economically. It may well add a bit more unity.

 

[SchlongConery]

Well, as was mentioned above, Ontario court of appeal said exact opposite:
61 I agree with the trial judge that the law's intrusiveness shows that it needs a higher category and threshold than the subjective good faith purpose test it adopts, the same test that governs Simmons category one luggage searches. That test is insufficient for digital device searches, which the Supreme Court and this court have held are fundamentally more intrusive than luggage searches because, unlike luggage, digital devices contain "an almost unlimited universe of information": Vu, at para. 41, quoting R. v. Mohamad (2004), 69 O.R. (3d) 481 (C.A.), at para. 43. This holding reflects reality. While most people cannot and do not carry all their physical mail, pictures, books, and papers in a suitcase, digital devices routinely store all that information and more: Riley, at pp. 393-395. That is why digital devices cannot be lumped in with luggage searches. Rather, as Simmonsholds, "it is obvious that the greater the intrusion, the greater must be the justification and ... constitutional protection": at p. 517.

edit - you would have been correct before 2024 when that decision came out

Thanks for posting that. And I also went back in this thread and read the article to the link you posted https://nationalmagazine.ca/en-ca/a...ot-a-charter-free-zone?utm_source=chatgpt.com .

You are right, random searches of your electronic devices have been deemed unconstitutional both in Ontario and Alberta courts. Next stop is the SCC... if the gov't wants to keep up the practice. Or change the law as mentioned in the Alberta case.

As a frequent border crosser I try to keep up with the laws and, as you say, before 2024, I knew the US and the CBSA could search and download your devices without cause at the border. I missed these decisions.

Thanks for enlightening me!

 

[BobbyRyan81]

Some how I don't think they care.

I heard on the news they are detaining Canadians ( kids too) with very little to go on for days. We should grow some balls and do the same to them.

 

[bazokajoe]

I heard on the news they are detaining Canadians ( kids too) with very little to go on for days. We should grow some balls and do the same to them.

Agree, but that will just make things worse.
Making Americans suffer endless wait times at border crossings would work better.

 

[SchlongConery]

Agree, but that will just make things worse.
Making Americans suffer endless wait times at border crossings would work better.

Why would Canada try to restrict Americans from visiting Canada and spending their money here?

 

[BobbyRyan81]

I heard on the news they are detaining Canadians ( kids too) with very little to go on for days. We should grow some balls and do the same to them.

Why would Canada try to restrict Americans from visiting Canada and spending their money here?

Same could be said about America.

 

[bazokajoe]

Why would Canada try to restrict Americans from visiting Canada and spending their money here?

See BobbyRyan81 post.