A FOREWARNING
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What's the big deal?
All countries have that right including entering Canada, even if you are Canadian.
The last time I crossed, they demanded that I leave my phone so it can be searched .
They have ways of seeing your call/text history, browsing history, etc.
Any illegal activity with regard to making arrangements with an escort will deny you entry, if not detained and arrested on the spot. If the y see you visited terb, you better believe you will be detained, interrogated and possibly arrested.
The US is far stricter when it comes to prostitution. In fact, they are strict about everything because every arrest brings in money. There are police in every street and stretch of highway, waiting to pull you over for any reason, it’s insane.
They have ways of seeing your call/text history, browsing history, etc.
Any illegal activity with regard to making arrangements with an escort will deny you entry, if not detained and arrested on the spot. If the y see you visited terb, you better believe you will be detained, interrogated and possibly arrested.
The US is far stricter when it comes to prostitution. In fact, they are strict about everything because every arrest brings in money. There are police in every street and stretch of highway, waiting to pull you over for any reason, it’s insane.
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I’ve also heard stories about Canadians being arrested during traffic stops because the cops would not recognize their Canadian driver’s license even though there is a reciprocal agreement with the US to do so.
Right from the CBSA website.
www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca
Examining personal digital devices at the Canadian border
Border control, policies and procedures related to personal digital devices
If I had to choose between flying vs driving to enter the US I think flying might be the better option because a traffic stop gives the cops more ways to fuck with you, no?
Basically they need grounds, kinda like for a strip search or bedpan vigilRight from the CBSA website.
Examining personal digital devices at the Canadian border
Border control, policies and procedures related to personal digital devices
Canadian detained for 11 days by U.S. immigration speaks out for others stuck in limbo
Yvette Brend - CBC News
‘That place breaks you into a million pieces,’ Mooney said of her detention by U.S. immigration
Posted: April 05, 2025
Last Updated: 17 Minutes Ago
Jasmine Mooney, 35, travelled to the U.S. many times in her life. She's worked as an actress, owned bars and was marketing health products when she was detained while trying to apply for a work visa. (Dillon Hodgin/CBC)
Jasmine Mooney's smile went viral after the 35-year-old Canadian was taken into U.S. custody at the Mexican border in March, but her story is now whispered in fear.
On March 3, Mooney tried to get her work visa renewed, entering at an immigration office at the Mexico-San Diego border, against a U.S. lawyer's advice. Instead she ended up being denied, and then, all of a sudden, detained.
Mooney spent 11 days in custody — off and on in cement cells she says are dubbed "ice boxes" — with little more than a thin foil emergency blanket. Mooney says she faced numerous transfers, humiliating medical tests, degrading treatment and no answers — despite pleas to let her pay for her own flight home.
She at first refused food and couldn't sleep, but then forced herself to get up and help others.
"It breaks you. That place breaks you into a million pieces. It is so disgusting what goes on in there," Mooney told CBC News in an interview on Thursday.
Her case is one of a series of instances involving non-U.S. travellers that has travellers and legal experts concerned.
Canadian actress Jasmine Mooney tells CBC News about her 11-day ordeal in ICE detention after trying to enter the U.S. to renew her work visa. Mooney describes what she saw as ‘disgusting,’ saying of her detention cell: ‘That place breaks you.’ 1:55
Mooney's story has become a sort of warning, a harbinger of a shifting attitude toward Canadians travelling or trying to work in the U.S.
Immigration lawyers are urging people who need visa renewals to opt to go to airports, where they can be processed on Canadian soil, with no risk of getting detained if they are deemed ineligible.
'Chilling effect'
Mooney's Blaine, Wash.-based immigration lawyer Len Saunders said her case is scaring Canadian travellers.
"It has a huge chilling effect on Canadians going to the United States," said Saunders.
He advised her not to try to reapply for her visa at a Mexican entry point, given changes he saw under the new Trump administration.
"She wasn't trying to do anything illegal. She thought she was doing the right thing," said Saunders.
"I've never seen a Canadian citizen who's applied for a work visa, either a brand new one or a renewal, being detained like this."
Mooney says she left a lot of women behind when she was released and wants to shine a light into Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention centres and how people end up trapped there. (Submitted by Alexis Eagles)
Mooney was at one point held at a San Diego-area prison where a Chinese inmate offered up her phone time enabling Mooney to get her plea out to at least one reporter. At that point, she had no idea that her story had gone viral and so many people were fighting for her freedom. She was released within a few days and left feeling "lucky."
Mooney was at one point held at a San Diego-area prison where a Chinese inmate offered up her phone time enabling Mooney to get her plea out to at least one reporter. At that point, she had no idea that her story had gone viral and so many people were fighting for her freedom. She was released within a few days and left feeling "lucky."
Mooney says she left a lot of women behind when she was released and wants to shine a light into Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention centres and how people end up trapped there.
"I met a girl who had been in there eight months," she said.
She says the women helped her get out — and urged her to tell their stories. Mooney says there were about 140 women in her unit at the Otay Mesa Detention Center, one of the first places she was held, in the Ysidro Mountains foothills of Otay Mesa overlooking the U.S.-Mexico border.
She describes how most of the women she met had lived in the U.S. illegally and overstayed visas — detained with no warning when they reapplied.
In this 2017 file photo, a vehicle drives into the Otay Mesa Detention Center in San Diego. Mooney says there were about 140 women in her unit when she was held there. (Elliot Spagat/The Associated Press)
"You meet all of the girls who had trekked from India, from Iran, from Africa, they're covered head to toe in bug bites and scars from their journey and they paid all of this money, gave up everything they owned to come to America and then end up in jail and they're all most likely getting shipped back to their countries," said Mooney.
'Scorched earth' approach to immigration
Mooney, who grew up in Yukon and had been living in B.C. until last year, is one in a series of recent U.S. immigration detention cases that have caught attention internationally.
In January, German tattoo artist Jessica Brösche was was held for more than a month after border agents assumed she'd work illegally. A 28-year-old British backpacker was held for 10 daysafter trying to enter Washington State from Canada. She'd been living with host families trading housework for board on a tourist visa. A couple returning from Tijuana ended up handcuffed: U.S. citizen Lennon Tyler was chained to a bench, her German fiance Lucas Sielaff held for 16 days for violating his 90 day tourist permit.
NPR reported the story of a Guatemalan immigrant named Sarahi who accidentally drove the wrong way across the Ambassador Bridge trying to go to Costco — and ended up held for five days in a windowless office near the bridge with her daughters, two U.S. citizens aged one and five.
He's urging anybody reapplying for visas to do it at an airport — where they are safe on Canadian soil and can't be detained.
However, he says he's not shocked that some Canadians are just opting to skip any U.S. travel
Mooney's immigration lawyer Len Saunders said her case is scaring Canadian travellers. "It has a huge chilling effect on Canadians going to the United States," he said. (Submitted by Alexis Eagles)
Work visa trouble
Mooney first hit immigration trouble last spring. She'd applied for her work visa at the Blaine, Wash., border office and was denied. The officer had noticed a missing employer letterhead.
She tried again at the San Diego border in April of 2024. The visa was issued without a problem, so she returned to California and worked.
Mooney says she didn't have a problem again — despite multiple border crossings — until she headed back into the U.S. after a visit to family in November.
Upon her return, she says a border agent told her that her visa had been improperly processed. She was interrogated and that work visa was revoked, after border officials noted her product contained hemp.
After a few months in Canada, she was offered another job and says she was told by another lawyer that it was acceptable to try to reapply.
"The worst that I thought would happen is that I would get denied," she said.
She headed to the San Diego immigration office that first processed her visa on March 3. After hours there explaining her situation, she says the officer told her she'd have to reapply through a consulate. Then Mooney says the female officer added: "You didn't do anything wrong, you are not in trouble, you are not a criminal."
She was told they'd have to send her back to Canada. But as Mooney sat searching for flights home on her phone she says that a man appeared and told her to come with him.
She knew something was way off when they pulled the shoelaces from her sneakers.
"Later I found out that's so you don't hang yourself in jail," said Mooney.
A spokesperson for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) says that Mooney was processed in light of an executive order signed on Jan. 21. (Gregory Bull/The Associated Press)
CBC News reached out to U.S. officials for more details about her case.
A statement from Sandra Grisolia of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement explained that Mooney was processed in accordance with the "Securing Our Borders" Executive Order dated Jan. 21.
It states that all aliens in violation of U.S. immigration law may be subject to arrest, detention and, if found removable by final order, removal from the U.S., regardless of nationality.
Saunders says that Mooney plans to appeal her revoked visa and loves the U.S. She was pursuing a marketing career there selling a hemp-infused water product – after running bars and restaurants in Vancouver.
Yvette Brend - CBC News
‘That place breaks you into a million pieces,’ Mooney said of her detention by U.S. immigration
Posted: April 05, 2025
Last Updated: 17 Minutes Ago
Jasmine Mooney's smile went viral after the 35-year-old Canadian was taken into U.S. custody at the Mexican border in March, but her story is now whispered in fear.
On March 3, Mooney tried to get her work visa renewed, entering at an immigration office at the Mexico-San Diego border, against a U.S. lawyer's advice. Instead she ended up being denied, and then, all of a sudden, detained.
Mooney spent 11 days in custody — off and on in cement cells she says are dubbed "ice boxes" — with little more than a thin foil emergency blanket. Mooney says she faced numerous transfers, humiliating medical tests, degrading treatment and no answers — despite pleas to let her pay for her own flight home.
She at first refused food and couldn't sleep, but then forced herself to get up and help others.
"It breaks you. That place breaks you into a million pieces. It is so disgusting what goes on in there," Mooney told CBC News in an interview on Thursday.
Her case is one of a series of instances involving non-U.S. travellers that has travellers and legal experts concerned.
Canadian actress Jasmine Mooney tells CBC News about her 11-day ordeal in ICE detention after trying to enter the U.S. to renew her work visa. Mooney describes what she saw as ‘disgusting,’ saying of her detention cell: ‘That place breaks you.’ 1:55
Mooney's story has become a sort of warning, a harbinger of a shifting attitude toward Canadians travelling or trying to work in the U.S.
Immigration lawyers are urging people who need visa renewals to opt to go to airports, where they can be processed on Canadian soil, with no risk of getting detained if they are deemed ineligible.
'Chilling effect'
Mooney's Blaine, Wash.-based immigration lawyer Len Saunders said her case is scaring Canadian travellers.
"It has a huge chilling effect on Canadians going to the United States," said Saunders.
He advised her not to try to reapply for her visa at a Mexican entry point, given changes he saw under the new Trump administration.
"She wasn't trying to do anything illegal. She thought she was doing the right thing," said Saunders.
"I've never seen a Canadian citizen who's applied for a work visa, either a brand new one or a renewal, being detained like this."
Mooney says she left a lot of women behind when she was released and wants to shine a light into Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention centres and how people end up trapped there. (Submitted by Alexis Eagles)
Mooney was at one point held at a San Diego-area prison where a Chinese inmate offered up her phone time enabling Mooney to get her plea out to at least one reporter. At that point, she had no idea that her story had gone viral and so many people were fighting for her freedom. She was released within a few days and left feeling "lucky."
Mooney was at one point held at a San Diego-area prison where a Chinese inmate offered up her phone time enabling Mooney to get her plea out to at least one reporter. At that point, she had no idea that her story had gone viral and so many people were fighting for her freedom. She was released within a few days and left feeling "lucky."
Mooney says she left a lot of women behind when she was released and wants to shine a light into Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention centres and how people end up trapped there.
"I met a girl who had been in there eight months," she said.
She says the women helped her get out — and urged her to tell their stories. Mooney says there were about 140 women in her unit at the Otay Mesa Detention Center, one of the first places she was held, in the Ysidro Mountains foothills of Otay Mesa overlooking the U.S.-Mexico border.
She describes how most of the women she met had lived in the U.S. illegally and overstayed visas — detained with no warning when they reapplied.
In this 2017 file photo, a vehicle drives into the Otay Mesa Detention Center in San Diego. Mooney says there were about 140 women in her unit when she was held there. (Elliot Spagat/The Associated Press)
"You meet all of the girls who had trekked from India, from Iran, from Africa, they're covered head to toe in bug bites and scars from their journey and they paid all of this money, gave up everything they owned to come to America and then end up in jail and they're all most likely getting shipped back to their countries," said Mooney.
'Scorched earth' approach to immigration
Mooney, who grew up in Yukon and had been living in B.C. until last year, is one in a series of recent U.S. immigration detention cases that have caught attention internationally.
In January, German tattoo artist Jessica Brösche was was held for more than a month after border agents assumed she'd work illegally. A 28-year-old British backpacker was held for 10 daysafter trying to enter Washington State from Canada. She'd been living with host families trading housework for board on a tourist visa. A couple returning from Tijuana ended up handcuffed: U.S. citizen Lennon Tyler was chained to a bench, her German fiance Lucas Sielaff held for 16 days for violating his 90 day tourist permit.
NPR reported the story of a Guatemalan immigrant named Sarahi who accidentally drove the wrong way across the Ambassador Bridge trying to go to Costco — and ended up held for five days in a windowless office near the bridge with her daughters, two U.S. citizens aged one and five.
He's urging anybody reapplying for visas to do it at an airport — where they are safe on Canadian soil and can't be detained.
However, he says he's not shocked that some Canadians are just opting to skip any U.S. travel
Mooney's immigration lawyer Len Saunders said her case is scaring Canadian travellers. "It has a huge chilling effect on Canadians going to the United States," he said. (Submitted by Alexis Eagles)
Work visa trouble
Mooney first hit immigration trouble last spring. She'd applied for her work visa at the Blaine, Wash., border office and was denied. The officer had noticed a missing employer letterhead.
She tried again at the San Diego border in April of 2024. The visa was issued without a problem, so she returned to California and worked.
Mooney says she didn't have a problem again — despite multiple border crossings — until she headed back into the U.S. after a visit to family in November.
Upon her return, she says a border agent told her that her visa had been improperly processed. She was interrogated and that work visa was revoked, after border officials noted her product contained hemp.
After a few months in Canada, she was offered another job and says she was told by another lawyer that it was acceptable to try to reapply.
"The worst that I thought would happen is that I would get denied," she said.
She headed to the San Diego immigration office that first processed her visa on March 3. After hours there explaining her situation, she says the officer told her she'd have to reapply through a consulate. Then Mooney says the female officer added: "You didn't do anything wrong, you are not in trouble, you are not a criminal."
She was told they'd have to send her back to Canada. But as Mooney sat searching for flights home on her phone she says that a man appeared and told her to come with him.
She knew something was way off when they pulled the shoelaces from her sneakers.
"Later I found out that's so you don't hang yourself in jail," said Mooney.
A spokesperson for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) says that Mooney was processed in light of an executive order signed on Jan. 21. (Gregory Bull/The Associated Press)
CBC News reached out to U.S. officials for more details about her case.
A statement from Sandra Grisolia of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement explained that Mooney was processed in accordance with the "Securing Our Borders" Executive Order dated Jan. 21.
It states that all aliens in violation of U.S. immigration law may be subject to arrest, detention and, if found removable by final order, removal from the U.S., regardless of nationality.
Saunders says that Mooney plans to appeal her revoked visa and loves the U.S. She was pursuing a marketing career there selling a hemp-infused water product – after running bars and restaurants in Vancouver.
I’m saying they cannot do it unless there is an articulable reason. Which normally should not be present unless you are coming from Thailand with ten hard drives and a record for child sex offences
The fuck yiu are talking about? In US they can demand passwords and search without grounds.
in Canada there should be grounds.
It ain’t the same as you have claimed.
Holy fuck you guys are paranoid.
I've been crossing the border for 20+ years on a regular basis and never had an issue.
Worst experience was coming into Canada and some butch lesbian started going through all my files on my cds.
2 hours later I was let go because it was just music.
I've been crossing the border for 20+ years on a regular basis and never had an issue.
Worst experience was coming into Canada and some butch lesbian started going through all my files on my cds.
2 hours later I was let go because it was just music.
The Canadian government has issued a travel advisory too.
I posted about that yesterday.
I posted about that yesterday.
It's not a matter of CAN
It's a matter of HOW MUCH, WHY, EGREGIOUS USE OF POWER, HARASSNENT, AND PROBABLE CAUSE.
When you are stopping university professors from entry because they expressed a negative view online, not a threat, just Trump Sucks, or just because they feel like it against someone who has crossed numerous times in the past, then yes, fuck them, I have better places to spend my tourist cash.
Make me unwelcome at the door, I won't come in.
Nope. They are allowed to,. In fact they must conduct random searches, And your phone is no different than a suitcase. If they can open it, they will see what's inside.
Well, as was mentioned above, Ontario court of appeal said exact opposite:
61 I agree with the trial judge that the law's intrusiveness shows that it needs a higher category and threshold than the subjective good faith purpose test it adopts, the same test that governs Simmons category one luggage searches. That test is insufficient for digital device searches, which the Supreme Court and this court have held are fundamentally more intrusive than luggage searches because, unlike luggage, digital devices contain "an almost unlimited universe of information": Vu, at para. 41, quoting R. v. Mohamad (2004), 69 O.R. (3d) 481 (C.A.), at para. 43. This holding reflects reality. While most people cannot and do not carry all their physical mail, pictures, books, and papers in a suitcase, digital devices routinely store all that information and more: Riley, at pp. 393-395. That is why digital devices cannot be lumped in with luggage searches. Rather, as Simmonsholds, "it is obvious that the greater the intrusion, the greater must be the justification and ... constitutional protection": at p. 517.
edit - you would have been correct before 2024 when that decision came out
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This happens, but by and large this is not the target demographic.
Same with ICE, they can claim you are an illegal immigrant and then claim you have no rights.
